Budget Head and Cam
05-23-2017, 01:00 PM
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Budget Head and Cam OK, I have been searching for a week and I just dont have the knowledge to find what I am looking for. Flame me if needed, I can take it.
So Im trying to find heads and a cam and all the parts that goes into it (springs, lifters,bolts, pushrods, etc) for around $2000-$2500 range (or less). Id like to hit 425+ whp range. I dont have an issue with porting my heads if it is a good amount cheaper than buying new. Do I need new oil pump, timing chain, injectors?
Or should I just get the 515hp trickflow package and be done with it?
So Im trying to find heads and a cam and all the parts that goes into it (springs, lifters,bolts, pushrods, etc) for around $2000-$2500 range (or less). Id like to hit 425+ whp range. I dont have an issue with porting my heads if it is a good amount cheaper than buying new. Do I need new oil pump, timing chain, injectors?
Or should I just get the 515hp trickflow package and be done with it?
05-23-2017, 01:12 PM
#2
Hmm for a budget like that...perhaps call TSP and look at prc 2.5 ls6 heads and cam packages. See what they will do for you. If just hitting 425 on the dyno is your goal you may need a cam that spins to around 6.8-7k, which means you may want to invest in rod bolts for insurance...i wouldn't concern myself with what it makes at the dyno, results can vary from dyno to dyno. I would go with those heads and a cam that makes power 3500 to 6500. Just my opinion. May not make 425 but who cares. Its tracktimes that do the talking not dyno racing. If you can stretch the budget to around 3 grand heads and cam package, maybe some AFR heads that maximize midrange power potential and a properly speced cam for those heads. Those will make 425 easy. Keep in mind, build up the weak points like rod bolts, rods and pistons (since your there) at those high rpms so you don't have an unfortunate accident...hence why I build for midrange punch...may not be the fastest thing on The streets but reliable and quick none the less and fun on the streets as well. But now I'm just rambling.
05-23-2017, 01:26 PM
#4
And things like ls6 oil pumps and ls2 chains are cheap insurance. Why not? That M295 pump is all you need and ls2 chain. Probably 80 bucks plus tax and shipping if any for both in total on amazon. Perhaps consider just stock cleaned and surfaced ls6/799 heads? I did that with a small 222/228 cam, used ls6 intake, Longtubes and a catback through a stalled auto, made 387hp 371tq on an old dyno jet. Made more than most thought it would. Fat torque curve with power everywhere too. EASILY an 11 second car.
05-23-2017, 01:49 PM
#6
http://www.texas-speed.com/p-3961-pr...m-package.aspx
Great package for a great price. All you need is a set of MLS head gaskets and a cheap cloye's LS2 chain and whatever oil pump you want, everything else TSP sets up for you to bolt on. Oh, don't forget about oil and coolant. Kinda hard to beat the 225's for the money.
Great package for a great price. All you need is a set of MLS head gaskets and a cheap cloye's LS2 chain and whatever oil pump you want, everything else TSP sets up for you to bolt on. Oh, don't forget about oil and coolant. Kinda hard to beat the 225's for the money.
05-23-2017, 01:55 PM
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https://m.summitracing.com/search/product-line/trick-flow-515-hp-genx-top-end-engine-kits-for-gm-ls1
this is the trickflow kit. $3300. I also have some other packages to look at but they are relatively similar in parts list but cheaper and put together by people I asked. 515fwhp is comparable to 450rwhp at best. Which would get me where is like to be I think.
this is the trickflow kit. $3300. I also have some other packages to look at but they are relatively similar in parts list but cheaper and put together by people I asked. 515fwhp is comparable to 450rwhp at best. Which would get me where is like to be I think.
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Get the trickflow kit imo. The heads are so much better as cast than the ported factory options. You can hit your goals with less cam.
05-23-2017, 03:04 PM
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https://m.summitracing.com/search/product-line/trick-flow-515-hp-genx-top-end-engine-kits-for-gm-ls1
this is the trickflow kit. $3300. I also have some other packages to look at but they are relatively similar in parts list but cheaper and put together by people I asked. 515fwhp is comparable to 450rwhp at best. Which would get me where is like to be I think.
this is the trickflow kit. $3300. I also have some other packages to look at but they are relatively similar in parts list but cheaper and put together by people I asked. 515fwhp is comparable to 450rwhp at best. Which would get me where is like to be I think.
05-23-2017, 04:02 PM
#10
We have sold quite a few trick flow hesds this yr. They are stellar performers and we have cams to work with them as well as all the gaskets needed. $1700 for the as cast with dual .650 lift springs.
We also have the oil pump, timing set etc needed to work with all that as well as gaskets and bolts.
Email me and we can work you up a total price and beat your 425 mark!
Rpmspeedtech@gmail.com
We also have the oil pump, timing set etc needed to work with all that as well as gaskets and bolts.
Email me and we can work you up a total price and beat your 425 mark!
Rpmspeedtech@gmail.com
05-23-2017, 05:01 PM
#11
I would research to find what heads make the most power and have the most airflow in the midlift area in your budget and get those. Don't worry too much about what the heads flow at 650, its what they flow at 200-500 that matter because think about it, you only achieve peak lift once, yet that valve has to go back up though right? so it achieves midlift twice....
05-23-2017, 05:47 PM
#15
OK, I have been searching for a week and I just dont have the knowledge to find what I am looking for. Flame me if needed, I can take it.
So Im trying to find heads and a cam and all the parts that goes into it (springs, lifters,bolts, pushrods, etc) for around $2000-$2500 range (or less). Id like to hit 425+ whp range. I dont have an issue with porting my heads if it is a good amount cheaper than buying new. Do I need new oil pump, timing chain, injectors?
Or should I just get the 515hp trickflow package and be done with it?
So Im trying to find heads and a cam and all the parts that goes into it (springs, lifters,bolts, pushrods, etc) for around $2000-$2500 range (or less). Id like to hit 425+ whp range. I dont have an issue with porting my heads if it is a good amount cheaper than buying new. Do I need new oil pump, timing chain, injectors?
Or should I just get the 515hp trickflow package and be done with it?
Give us a shout, We will put together the perfect package for you.
Thank you
Dustin
Thompson Motorsports
dustin@thompsonmotorsports.net
972-853-2450
05-23-2017, 05:53 PM
#16
The afr 230 doesnt flow as well as the tfs 225 from mid range on in intake and barely outflows on the exhaust, plus they have the std 15* angle vs 13 on tfs which makes more power etc as well.
Comparing straight across isnt possible for them but thats as close as it gets.
Of course someone could work the head over, but that is true on any head. Then you incur ALOT of extra cost. The tfs are stellar out of the box. No need to send them off. plus afr doesnt have a comparison for the 220 as cast tfs head.
Comparing straight across isnt possible for them but thats as close as it gets.
Of course someone could work the head over, but that is true on any head. Then you incur ALOT of extra cost. The tfs are stellar out of the box. No need to send them off. plus afr doesnt have a comparison for the 220 as cast tfs head.
05-23-2017, 06:01 PM
#17
Actually for 1700 bucks hmmm ya the Trickflow 220s are a good buy from ws6 store...either that or port a set of ls6 heads if my got them. 1700 and another 500 for cam and springs would be under budget and make over 400 easy. See if you can bundle a cam and those heads. Like a 224/230 cam with around 600 lift and maybe a 112 advanced 109 icl...should be torquey, good for a bit of spray as well...
Edit: Always call them first and see what cam they would run with their heads for your specific application and goals.
Edit: Always call them first and see what cam they would run with their heads for your specific application and goals.
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05-23-2017, 06:05 PM
#18
We have sold quite a few trick flow hesds this yr. They are stellar performers and we have cams to work with them as well as all the gaskets needed. $1700 for the as cast with dual .650 lift springs.
We also have the oil pump, timing set etc needed to work with all that as well as gaskets and bolts.
Email me and we can work you up a total price and beat your 425 mark!
Rpmspeedtech@gmail.com
We also have the oil pump, timing set etc needed to work with all that as well as gaskets and bolts.
Email me and we can work you up a total price and beat your 425 mark!
Rpmspeedtech@gmail.com
05-23-2017, 06:08 PM
#19
For less than the tfs kit we can make more power with a better cam as well.
Heads are $1700
The cam is $385 and pushrods are $100
Id recommend lifters when you have heads off. They are $95, trays are 32.
Install kit runs $200.
$2500 gets you completely set up with every thing you need and a custom cam tailored for you
Heads are $1700
The cam is $385 and pushrods are $100
Id recommend lifters when you have heads off. They are $95, trays are 32.
Install kit runs $200.
$2500 gets you completely set up with every thing you need and a custom cam tailored for you