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Old Oct 28, 2017 | 06:31 PM
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So I am stuck between two cams:

First,
240/244- Duration
.605/.596- Inch Lift
112 LSA

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231/239- Duration
.617/624- Inch Lift
113 LSA

From what I have read the first cam makes more power than the second cam. Although the second cam has more lift. So is power made through duration? I thought lift made the most impact on hp. So my question is which cam has better "Drive-ability" and second which one would make more power?

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What vehicle, mods, trans, etc...?
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Old Oct 28, 2017 | 06:47 PM
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It is a 2000 WS6 Trans Am. The only aftermarket mods worth noting are 410 gears and Cat back exhaust. Stock trans, manual transmission.
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Ok that helps. That 1st cam will have more peak power and will buck and surge a little more than the other one. On a stock heads and cube LS1 that 2nd cam would be a better choice. Also I don't see headers mentioned. You will definitely want some long tubes with that cam
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Ok the bucking is something I do not really want. But I can put up with if I have to. Headers are something I am going to do soon. Just trying to get a head start on the Cam part of the car.
So between these two:
First, (The second one from above)
231/239- Duration
.617/624- Inch Lift
113 LSA

Second, (My third option)
232/238- Duration
.599/.601- Inch Lift
113 LSA

Between those two would the second one buck more than the first one?
Also which would would make more power?

Thanks in advance,
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Originally Posted by BlkOps
Ok the bucking is something I do not really want. But I can put up with if I have to. Headers are something I am going to do soon. Just trying to get a head start on the Cam part of the car.
So between these two:
First, (The second one from above)
231/239- Duration
.617/624- Inch Lift
113 LSA

Second, (My third option)
232/238- Duration
.599/.601- Inch Lift
113 LSA

Between those two would the second one buck more than the first one?
Also which would would make more power?

Thanks in advance,
First will make more power. Driveability between these two will be identical.
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Originally Posted by BlkOps
Ok the bucking is something I do not really want. But I can put up with if I have to. Headers are something I am going to do soon. Just trying to get a head start on the Cam part of the car.
So between these two:
First, (The second one from above)
231/239- Duration
.617/624- Inch Lift
113 LSA

Second, (My third option)
232/238- Duration
.599/.601- Inch Lift
113 LSA

Between those two would the second one buck more than the first one?
Also which would would make more power?

Thanks in advance,
Those two cams are very similar. Like mentioned above they will drive the same. Power wise they are going to very similar as well. I don't think you would be able to tell the difference between the two
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Old Oct 29, 2017 | 09:59 PM
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The reason they will drive identically is they have the same overlap. Overlap determines how much lope a cam has. Just an FYI...
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Old Nov 4, 2017 | 11:11 AM
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Great, so the cam I think I am going to do is the Lunati Voodoo Cam. It is 232/238 duration at .050, .599/.601 lift and 113 lsa.
I am planning on a tune for sure after the cam. Do I need to springs or pushrods or anything mechanical with this cam? Or can I just put the cam in?
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Old Nov 4, 2017 | 11:26 AM
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I like your choice of the lunati cam. I am waiting for delivery of a Titan 4 from cam motion, I had them trim the intake lift from .612" to .595" as I have 1.8 rockers. So the specs are now 227/232 .595/.595 on a 113+4 l.s.a. so fairly similar to your choice. I would definitely go with dual springs and hardened push rods, everything I've read points to those. Good luck!!
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Old Nov 4, 2017 | 12:32 PM
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Why do you want such donkey dick cams? Bigger isnt always better. They are like a firecracker attached to a light switch.

The better question is, what are your goals?

All of those cams will be choked off with the stock induction, maf, ls1 intake, and manifolds. Without addressing those youre literally pissing in the wind. And youd likely need inj as well.
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Originally Posted by tech@WS6store
Why do you want such donkey dick cams? Bigger isnt always better. They are like a firecracker attached to a light switch.

The better question is, what are your goals?

All of those cams will be choked off with the stock induction, maf, ls1 intake, and manifolds. Without addressing those youre literally pissing in the wind. And youd likely need inj as well.
I like how the this specific Lunati cam sounds in a similar car. I guess that is the reason I like that cam. But if it is the wrong cam or not the best cam to get where I want to be, I am here trying to figure it out.

My goals are for the car to run a low to mid 12 at elevation and/or make 400rwhp. Now I know those are not flip switch kind of goals. I have done gears in the car. Headers and an LS6 intake are next.

But really the cam makes a huge difference in getting closer to my goals. So if there is a better cam to get closer to those goals. I would love to see them. I am sure there is but I do not have the understanding to know exactly which cam will get me where.
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You can go with a better designed cam thats easier to drive in 5th and 6th and have alot more fun with it and still be in the 400hp range. Most mid to high 220s and mid 230s cams will do that.
The sound comes mainly from overlap as far as that goes.
A 228/232 is prob what i would use. Not such a bear to drive. on a 111. That would be th tsp 228/232. Youll make 400 no problem. Also on sale for $349 on their site which is an added bonus.
Id prob still recommend the dual springs and hardened prs, but that whole kit would be quite a bit better on price.
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Originally Posted by BlkOps
I like how the this specific Lunati cam sounds in a similar car. I guess that is the reason I like that cam. But if it is the wrong cam or not the best cam to get where I want to be, I am here trying to figure it out.

My goals are for the car to run a low to mid 12 at elevation and/or make 400rwhp. Now I know those are not flip switch kind of goals. I have done gears in the car. Headers and an LS6 intake are next.

But really the cam makes a huge difference in getting closer to my goals. So if there is a better cam to get closer to those goals. I would love to see them. I am sure there is but I do not have the understanding to know exactly which cam will get me where.
Better Cam?
Titan 4 & FAST 92 or used 90, better performance & much better
Driveability than bigger cams & LS6 Intake.
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Old Nov 12, 2017 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MplSS
I like your choice of the lunati cam. I am waiting for delivery of a Titan 4 from cam motion, I had them trim the intake lift from .612" to .595" as I have 1.8 rockers. So the specs are now 227/232 .595/.595 on a 113+4 l.s.a. so fairly similar to your choice. I would definitely go with dual springs and hardened push rods, everything I've read points to those. Good luck!!
What would be the best dual springs to get? Also what would be the best hardened push rods to get?
Also if any vendors have a kit or something that would work that would be great.

Thanks in advance,
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Old Nov 12, 2017 | 04:36 PM
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Call Pat G.... tell him your goals and that you don't want to no bucking.
I'm sure he can send you a cam that makes great power all through the power band with no bucking.
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