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Old Nov 18, 2017 | 11:08 PM
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I'm stumped on this one.

Stock LQ4 bottom end with floating rods. Engine saw a boost spike. Started making a tapping like a bad lifter. Engine was shut down right after but has been started for diagnosis.

No sign of dentenation, No misfires, No spun bearings or damaged rod pin bushings, No butted ring lands, no metal in oil, rods look fine, piston looks fine other than where it came in contact with crank. Bore looks fine too.

Only damage is bottom of piston hitting high spot on crank counter weight. This is on number 2 and number 7 cylinders only. I also should note those to pistons come up short from reaching the top of the deck like the other 6.

Any one ever see anything like this???
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Old Nov 18, 2017 | 11:26 PM
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How did the rod bearings look? Specifically the upper shells? Excess wear there would prevent the piston from rising out of the hole as far as it should.
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Old Nov 18, 2017 | 11:32 PM
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This is the upper half and lower half still in the rod with the piston that made contact.
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Old Nov 18, 2017 | 11:33 PM
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sorry I didn't wipe them down before I took pictures.
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Old Nov 18, 2017 | 11:35 PM
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Yeah, hard to tell. IF they are scuffed hard, might explain the piston coming up "short in the hole".
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Old Nov 18, 2017 | 11:37 PM
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Yeah, hard to tell. IF they are scuffed hard, might explain the piston coming up "short in the hole".
Not really. they barley have any wear.

The rings move freely in the piston too.
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Old Nov 18, 2017 | 11:41 PM
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I had a Duramax engine like this and it was the pin bushing in the rod that went out.

Every thing looks good as far as I can tell. I honestly thought there would be something other than what I am seeing.
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Did you check those two rods for straightness? Maybe you bent them during the boost spike?
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Old Nov 18, 2017 | 11:46 PM
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Did you check those two rods for straightness? Maybe you bent them during the boost spike?
Best I can tell, they are straight. I will have to wait til Monday to see if my machinist can measure it.
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Old Nov 19, 2017 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Karlw
Did you check those two rods for straightness? Maybe you bent them during the boost spike?
That would be my guess.
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Old Nov 19, 2017 | 11:18 AM
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Hi Brick, my guess is bent rods.

My experience is with the EJ-25 Subaru engine when detonated.

The rods bend with to visible damage to the piston.

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Old Nov 19, 2017 | 10:27 PM
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Bent rod is the answer.

appears to be approx .050 shorter.

It appears to have side loaded in the direction of the pin.


Now, the tuff decision. Should I reuse the 2 pistons and just replace the rod or should I put a piston and rod in those 2 holes???
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Old Nov 19, 2017 | 11:44 PM
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If there is a good way to test the pistons for cracks, that would help decide.
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Old Nov 19, 2017 | 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
If there is a good way to test the pistons for cracks, that would help decide.
The piston is fairly clean and I don't see any thing that remotely stands out.

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I would just replace bith rods and pistons
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Old Nov 19, 2017 | 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
If there is a good way to test the pistons for cracks, that would help decide.
Here is a few quick shots.
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Old Nov 20, 2017 | 12:14 AM
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I know magnafluxing is done on ferrous metals, the one for aluminum is zyglo?? Not sure...
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Old Nov 20, 2017 | 12:19 AM
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I know magnafluxing is done on ferrous metals, the one for aluminum is zyglo?? Not sure...
That is correct. It has to be dye checked.

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Old Nov 20, 2017 | 06:31 AM
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You boost the engine and want to reuse those pistons? The rods bent and you are going to reuse ANY of the rods? I think you need to rethink the entire bottom end. Obviously the rods can't handle what you want to do.
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Old Nov 20, 2017 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by RockinWs6
You boost the engine and want to reuse those pistons? The rods bent and you are going to reuse ANY of the rods? I think you need to rethink the entire bottom end. Obviously the rods can't handle what you want to do.
i think he mentioned an over boost "boost spike" something along those lines. i wish i seen this post early... i brought rods from a member here when the machine shop checked them he said one was bent but you could not tell without this contraption he had. here is the pic on the left hand side u can see the gap.
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