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Old Apr 9, 2018 | 11:46 AM
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Hey guys, I have a 2000 WS6 its a M6. With .410s and 100 shot. I will be staying at 100 on the nitrous for a while. I want the car to run mid to low 12s at elevation. I would like to the car to trap 110. How realistic those goals are Im not sure.
I am looking at a cam now though....
So the MS4 239/242 649/600 111.5 lsa or the MS3 238/242 600/600 110 lsa.

Which of of these cams would get me to my goal or closer to it?
Also. If I am way off track and neither of these cams would. I am open to suggestions.
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Old Apr 9, 2018 | 12:26 PM
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Hi Dark OPS, BOTH listed CAM SPECIFICATIONS are not often considered for use with NOS.

What is your altitude. ?

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Stock LS1 heads?
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Old Apr 9, 2018 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Pantera EFI
Hi Dark OPS, BOTH listed CAM SPECIFICATIONS are not often considered for use with NOS.

What is your altitude. ?

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5500 feet above sea level.
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Stock LS1 heads?
Yes for now. Probably will have stock heads for a while.
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I'm pretty sure both of those cams will respond well to nitrous. I run a cam almost identical to the MS3, and on a 150 shot it hits very hard and pulls very strong. Both those cams will be within 5-10 hp of each other, with the slight edge to the MS4
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Ms3 is going to be the best to go with and it loves nitrous.
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Old Apr 10, 2018 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by tech@WS6store
Ms3 is going to be the best to go with and it loves nitrous.
Okay great. Will the cam respond well to only 100 shot?
I do not want to venture further than a 100 shot on the stock block.
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Originally Posted by BlkOps
Okay great. Will the cam respond well to only 100 shot?
I do not want to venture further than a 100 shot on the stock block.
That's basically what I was saying above. Yes it will do well
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Originally Posted by BlkOps
Hey guys, I have a 2000 WS6 its a M6. With .410’s and 100 shot. I will be staying at 100 on the nitrous for a while. I want the car to run mid to low 12’s at elevation. I would like to the car to trap 110. How realistic those goals are I’m not sure.
I am looking at a cam now though....
So the MS4 239/242 649/600 111.5 lsa or the MS3 238/242 600/600 110 lsa.

Which of of these cams would get me to my goal or closer to it?
Also. If I am way off track and neither of these cams would. I am open to suggestions.
Most people run that ET and mph with bolt ons, or faster.

Mild bolt ons and full weight too. There's plenty that go 11's with better bolt ons and weight reduction.

Big cam and nitrous should put you in the 10's no problem.

That's in lower-ish elevation

You'll be up to a second slower up there, but in my limited knowledge I would like to say it would be closer to .5-.7 seconds off.

Bolt ons and the spray should easily get you to your goal and beyond it.

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Hi B-OPS, I have had a customer, Jeff McPherson, use my Intake/ECU/Coils in an engine assembled by S. Jennings Racing in Utah. This engine was "specked" for use at a 14K feet race. (Pikes Peak)
The Compression Ratio was 18:1, large intake ports, 65mm Eight Stack Intake (yes eight 2.5" butterflies)
I have IGN-1A coil customers, ProMod with NOS, that share engine spec information when they ask me about Spark Plug Gap/Coil Dwell settings.

Typically they ALL state a BIG Exhaust Lobe with NO2 spray AND WIDE Lobe Centers (121-124)
I use Nitrous Supply, Mike Themos, to supply my NOS items.
He states very similar "tech" in camshafts for NOS sprayed engines.

ANOTHER ITEM is a GOOD Squish of (.032") helps heat the combustion chamber air.
Thus my cam spec is one with a Large Exhaust Duration AND a Wide Lobe Center.
Thus my C.R. spec for your altitude is 12:1 +
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