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Old 07-14-2018, 12:00 AM
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I'm wondering why TFS heads are beginner heads myself.

How much faster will car run with Mast heads over TFS, MMS, PRC or FrAnkenstein heads; all else things being equal?
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Originally Posted by Mazzenger
I'm wondering why TFS heads are beginner heads myself.

How much faster will car run with Mast heads over TFS, MMS, PRC or FrAnkenstein heads; all else things being equal?
In Big Hammer case his Mast headed big bore 388 cubic traps 136 mph or so with a solid roller.

My buddie Mike traps 132 or so with a 402ci with TFS 235s done by TEA. Pat G cam that's a hydraulic roller.

So I say 4 mph or so faster with a solid roller helping the mast heads.
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Originally Posted by Tuskyz28
In Big Hammer case his Mast headed big bore 388 cubic traps 136 mph or so with a solid roller.

My buddie Mike traps 132 or so with a 402ci with TFS 235s done by TEA. Pat G cam that's a hydraulic roller.

So I say 4 mph or so faster with a solid roller helping the mast heads.
depends to if he has a lighter car as well not? I'm 260lbs if I race some one 80lbs less I'm sure they would have a little extra speed. Plus depends if it's allunium or iron block they have it one has aluminum and the other iron then there is a wait difference.
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Originally Posted by Tuskyz28
In Big Hammer case his Mast headed big bore 388 cubic traps 136 mph or so with a solid roller.

My buddie Mike traps 132 or so with a 402ci with TFS 235s done by TEA. Pat G cam that's a hydraulic roller.

So I say 4 mph or so faster with a solid roller helping the mast heads.
Just for the record on why i prefer tfs over other heads due to the following:

1. Robz 388ci tfs 245 headed solider roller ran 9.3 trapping 148mph in a 3000lbs manual tranny corvette.
2. I personally ran 10.3 and trapped well over 130mph in a ls2 6.0 stock shortblock, tfs 220, btr 4, hyd roller car with 3250lbs fbody
3. Chrs1313 ran 9.8 and ran well over 130mph with a ls1 5.7 stock shortblock tfs 215 3000lbs fbody

Im sure Mast heads are great and PRC does a good job, but its hard to beat the TFS head which is a proven combo

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Seems like most people are recommending the tfs then.
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My car made 571/522 on a dynojet. 408, FAST 102, PRC 247s, and a 251/259 cam.
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Originally Posted by Philhippy45
depends to if he has a lighter car as well not? I'm 260lbs if I race some one 80lbs less I'm sure they would have a little extra speed. Plus depends if it's allunium or iron block they have it one has aluminum and the other iron then there is a wait difference.
My buddie is 230 lbs. His car weighs 3700 lbs with him in it. Car still have leather seats, heat, air conditioner, radio etc....
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Nice read. Great ending..
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TFS heads are a nice beginner head
This dood a troll. His 650rwhp nine second race cah. Runs tens. Barely faster than his master with a "bolt on" ls6. You should be trapping 150+mph, at least, hams.

Why I try not to tell people what to do or "buy" for their engine. If someone want's my opinion sure. I'd probably be asking way too many questions. Do lots of research, talk to the right people, & your decision will hopefully work out good for your goals. Good luck OP!
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Originally Posted by Public Enemy
Just for the record on why i prefer tfs over other heads due to the following:

1. Robz 388ci tfs 245 headed solider roller ran 9.3 trapping 148mph in a 3000lbs manual tranny corvette.
2. I personally ran 10.3 and trapped well over 130mph in a ls2 6.0 stock shortblock, tfs 220, btr 4, hyd roller car with 3250lbs fbody
3. Chrs1313 ran 9.8 and ran well over 130mph with a ls1 5.7 stock shortblock tfs 215 3000lbs fbody

Im sure Mast heads are great and PRC does a good job, but its hard to beat the TFS head which is a proven combo
Chrs1313 ran 9.82 at 135 in a 3,000lb race weight. Car made 522 on a dyno jet, ls1speedink.
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Originally Posted by NHRAFORMULA00
Chrs1313 ran 9.82 at 135 in a 3,000lb race weight. Car made 522 on a dyno jet, ls1speedink.
Car was also featured in GM high tech magazine before the magazine was killed....
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Decideded to go with the prc 247 a guy had them and couldnt pass them up at the price.
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How did it turn out OP?
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PRC 247 heads are good for the money. But, every combo I've seen that does 570+ with them has something close to 30 degrees of overlap or more. But they do run hard at the track. I'd like to see them with a milder 240/248 type of cam with 20 degrees of overlap.

Honestly, most of the heads... AFR 230, TFS 235/245, PRC 247, Mamo, pick any LS3 head you want, MAST, Frankenstein, SPS, Brodix, etc... they are all $2500 and up. And all will make power. It's the rest of the combo that matters...



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