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02-20-2019, 09:22 AM
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Im following this because Im really thinking about buying the same cam for my A4 car. I havent come across many threads on here posted by guys running it yet. Mavn has been about the only one Ive seen. Would kinda like to see another review or 2 of guys that might have tried them in a stock converter car.
02-20-2019, 10:03 AM
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Same here. Not sure why many haven't tryed it yet if that small of a cam makes that power. Would seem like everyone would run out and get it. It's just very questionable at this time.
02-20-2019, 11:29 AM
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Im following this because Im really thinking about buying the same cam for my A4 car. I havent come across many threads on here posted by guys running it yet. Mavn has been about the only one Ive seen. Would kinda like to see another review or 2 of guys that might have tried them in a stock converter car.
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02-20-2019, 12:00 PM
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its questionsble to me. I would like more proof. It's hard to believe that cam will make that power. If that's the case why haven't others made cams like that making said power? Hell in a manual car what's like that almost 470rwhp out of the cam? Again not saying it's not true but i/myself would like to see more is all. I dont have the cash to swap cams Rather just do it once. I did the swap bs with anther build until I found one I liked. It cost a **** ton or time and money in the end. I'm being very picky this go around.
02-20-2019, 12:06 PM
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I can see your skepticism. Summit engineers worked with a major LS cam grinder to design these cams. You can believe that if Mavn was able to weather hearing about the "baby cam" jibes from the regulars around here, he was SOLD on that cam! It's very flexible, as witnessed by him saying he used it for 3 weeks with a stock converter. Believe me, if that converter did not work with that cam he would have changed it that day.
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02-20-2019, 12:07 PM
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its questionsble to me. I would like more proof. It's hard to believe that cam will make that power. If that's the case why haven't others made cams like that making said power? Hell in a manual car what's like that almost 470rwhp out of the cam? Again not saying it's not true but i/myself would like to see more is all. I dont have the cash to swap cams Rather just do it once. I did the swap bs with anther build until I found one I liked. It cost a **** ton or time and money in the end. I'm being very picky this go around.
02-20-2019, 12:08 PM
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I can see your skepticism. Summit engineers worked with a major LS cam grinder to design these cams. You can believe that if Mavn was able to weather hearing about the "baby cam" jibes from the regulars around here, he was SOLD on that cam! It's very flexible, as witnessed by him saying he used it for 3 weeks with a stock converter. Believe me, if that converter did not work with that cam he would have changed it that day.
02-20-2019, 12:11 PM
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I'm not slamming it in a stock ls1 either. But still that doesnt help. Others have ram ported heads/intakes/duals as well and haven't even come close to those numbers with a cam that size.
My setup
heads- SPS cnc ported 243 heads. milled .030 the .040 headgasket (questionable). depending how much compression we can run and still make sure everything will clear and be 93oct safe
FAST 102mm intake fully ported by SPS and port matched to the heads. WARR 102mm TB port matched by SPS to the intake
exhaust- speed engineering long tube headers 1-7/8s and hooker blackheart true duals (catless)
other- 25% underdrive pulley
My setup
heads- SPS cnc ported 243 heads. milled .030 the .040 headgasket (questionable). depending how much compression we can run and still make sure everything will clear and be 93oct safe
FAST 102mm intake fully ported by SPS and port matched to the heads. WARR 102mm TB port matched by SPS to the intake
exhaust- speed engineering long tube headers 1-7/8s and hooker blackheart true duals (catless)
other- 25% underdrive pulley
02-20-2019, 01:17 PM
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I'm not slamming it in a stock ls1 either. But still that doesnt help. Others have ram ported heads/intakes/duals as well and haven't even come close to those numbers with a cam that size.
My setup
heads- SPS cnc ported 243 heads. milled .030 the .040 headgasket (questionable). depending how much compression we can run and still make sure everything will clear and be 93oct safe
FAST 102mm intake fully ported by SPS and port matched to the heads. WARR 102mm TB port matched by SPS to the intake
exhaust- speed engineering long tube headers 1-7/8s and hooker blackheart true duals (catless)
other- 25% underdrive pulley
My setup
heads- SPS cnc ported 243 heads. milled .030 the .040 headgasket (questionable). depending how much compression we can run and still make sure everything will clear and be 93oct safe
FAST 102mm intake fully ported by SPS and port matched to the heads. WARR 102mm TB port matched by SPS to the intake
exhaust- speed engineering long tube headers 1-7/8s and hooker blackheart true duals (catless)
other- 25% underdrive pulley
with your setup.
WHat converter, what rear gear, and whats the flow numbers of your Heads/ what quench will you be at if they were milled .030 with a .040 Cometic Gasket?
02-20-2019, 01:24 PM
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Most people don't look at the whole setup. Its like how your average shop/person slams a BTR3/4 or a MS3/ MS4 in every fbody they build. With a y pipe and a ls6 intake most of the time. Then the car runs 11.90's-12.20's @115 ish and they don't understand why. I think the cam would work perfect for your setup. Gives tons of PTV, and still makes power to 7k.
with your setup.
WHat converter, what rear gear, and whats the flow numbers of your Heads/ what quench will you be at if they were milled .030 with a .040 Cometic Gasket?
with your setup.
WHat converter, what rear gear, and whats the flow numbers of your Heads/ what quench will you be at if they were milled .030 with a .040 Cometic Gasket?
02-20-2019, 01:27 PM
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my car is a manual. Not an auto. We haven't set a head gasket thicken yet so that's still up in the air and can be changed to get the best setup. And I'm not in not in anyway saying it's not accurate. Your car can make those numbers on 5 diff dynos and run those numbers at 5 diff tracks yet install that cam in 10 other cars and they dont make anywhere close to that number that doesnt mean your can isnt making that power. I just would like more proof in other peoples cars for some repeatability.
02-20-2019, 01:33 PM
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Gotcha. Every car is different, every setup is different. If you have a manual car, id go with the Stage 2. 226/238 .600 113. The cam I just installed into the trans am. It seems to have more *****. But I feel like it wont run much faster due to the small 3200 converter the car has
02-20-2019, 01:47 PM
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the stg 2 hss 6* of overlap. I'm not a fan of poorly drivable cars at low speeds or it's a pita to take off in manual car with some of these cars I have used before so that's what had me not wanting to go that route. The btr stg 2 has 4.5* of overlap tho. So maybe that will be little better streetable down low?!
02-20-2019, 01:49 PM
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I wasnt going to say that at all. Youve had really good luck with that grind! Im just afraid I may not have as good of luck. Granted I dont have the mods you do (higher CR/FAST) and I understand that will definitely change things for me. Thats about the only thing holding me back right now. Like Blackbird said I just want to make sure it matches up at least fairly well with my current mods. Would be nice to see waht a guy running an LS6 manifold, LT's/ORY and stock heads gets out of the 8715.
02-20-2019, 02:26 PM
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The Ghost cam came out on 10-5-18 and we bet most of them aren't in cars yet and Mavn's is the first to dyno that we're aware of.
BTR stage 2. Great cam, in stock and will ship today. Lots of idle videos and dyno results so no chance of buyers remorse. 1.5 degrees less overlap than our stage 2 so it will idle nicer-at least based on the .050 numbers.
Another option is the BTR turbo stage 2 with only 2 degrees of overlap.
As we mentioned, we can have a Cam Motion custom ground for you for $399 out of 5150. Let us know the events you're looking for and we'll have them ground up for you in a Jiffy.
Here's a similar top end at a BTR 2...just on a LS2 instead of an LS1. Open in Youtube and it has a full parts description.
BTR stage 2. Great cam, in stock and will ship today. Lots of idle videos and dyno results so no chance of buyers remorse. 1.5 degrees less overlap than our stage 2 so it will idle nicer-at least based on the .050 numbers.
Another option is the BTR turbo stage 2 with only 2 degrees of overlap.
As we mentioned, we can have a Cam Motion custom ground for you for $399 out of 5150. Let us know the events you're looking for and we'll have them ground up for you in a Jiffy.
Here's a similar top end at a BTR 2...just on a LS2 instead of an LS1. Open in Youtube and it has a full parts description.
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