andrewzpsu

For anyone who does not know Complete Street Performance, one thing we are known for (beside our awesome shop) is our Youtube Channel. In this video Andrew replaces the big cam in his C5 vette with a smaller one, and the results are GREAT!

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G Atsma

Proves what I have always suspected, and is just common sense.

99Silver6.0

iTrader: (2)

What are the specs on the cam they put in? My laptop speakers died!!!!!!!!!!

2kSilverSS

225/235 is what i heard custom texas speed

transamcustomz

iTrader: (8)

not to knock dude but if you own a speed shop how come you dont own a go pro instead of driving one handed with the phone in your other hand lol

G Atsma

He must like to rough it.... lol

wannafbody

iTrader: (2)

I've been saying this on facebook for the last several years. I did a BTR stage 2 and it pulls like a freight train and drives almost like stock.

To be fair to the Vindicator cam. With a MSD intake and revved to 7500 rpm, it would probably make 10-20 hp more than the smaller cam but still be less streetable.

IMO, 25 minute YT videos are too long. If you can't tell me what I need to know in 10 minutes you are wasting my time.

00pooterSS

iTrader: (40)

Can someone please do a cliffnotes of the power difference and cam specs? My computer speakers died at the house, and if they worked I don't have the patience for a 25 minute video lol.

But I'll take a guess that it made 10-20 hp difference at over 6k roughly and the smaller cam drove better and they liked it more. Probably faster all around too since there was more average hp/tq.

I used to love racing dudes with cams with my bolt on car. Spanked a ton of them because everyone thought the biggest cam you could fit made the car the fastest.

wannafbody

iTrader: (2)

Smaller cam made 4 hp more

Che70velle

iTrader: (6)

I know I say this a lot, but here it goes again...combination, combination, combination.

HioSSilver

iTrader: (8)

What's really fucked up is my stock cammed ls6 made significantly more power than their cammed ls6. Telling me the car wasn't ready for a cam to begin with.....especially with a ls6 intake and a puny stock tb.

Great vid just very much sub par results.

LLLosingit

iTrader: (4)

x100, Race Shops spend years tweaking combinations to find slight power increases, If you can run a smaller cam and make more power then there was something wrong with the combination in the first place and it may or may not be the camshaft.

HioSSilver

iTrader: (8)

They want to sell parts mostly. On top of that most would rather talk about what cam or heads they chose rather than pay attention to stuff that makes the car only accelerate better. That **** just isn't as cool

00pooterSS

iTrader: (40)

Agreed, if the smaller cam made more the system overall isn't breathing. If it was the bigger cam would have made more.

Mavn

iTrader: (3)

Well this test is just stupid... The "Big" Cam was too big for the combo.. and the small cam was a better match for the combo.. Clearly the smaller cam is going to make more power the bigger cam cant breathe LOL

G Atsma

It wasn't a "test". The car came with the big cam in it and drove crappy. OP knew that a smaller cam would right things.

BlwnLs1GTO

iTrader: (12)

Uhg, I hate seeing video's and hearing story's like this. But I love to see the different combo's vs. the typical "Bigger is better" or Make more power posts.

I've got a fresh 408 the I meticulously went through and built up. NOTHING on it's stock. Oh, the rockers have Summit's Trunnion kit installed. Twin Turbo car made to build boost fast and make
stupid amounts of torque. And it does. However, It's in a 2004 GTO STREET car. And I still haven't driven/tuned it yet because I don't want to kill this expensive and time consuming engine I built. I know that my JY L33
shortblock and a my fresh, newly setup set of 862 heads with ;600 lift beehive springs will give me all the power I need and more than likely, outlive the 408 even if both are set at the same/similar power levels.(L33 will need quite a bit more boost, obviously)
700whp on 91 and small sniff of meth/water is really all I need. The rest is dangerous in this mostly stock suspension car and only good for bragging.

My point? I've been torn because I know I want to replace the rockers with bushings. Would like to replace this Custom Spec'd Turbo cam, 230/238. .630/.615 116 +5 with a smaller, more gentle cam with a much lower
lift that'll still make plenty of power without stressing out my valvetrain parts, you know? Thank you for the vid, sorry for the long post, I know it seems off topic but I fell it drives home the point you're making and the feeling
I've been experiencing!

-DW

G Atsma

Your post is TOTALLY on point! We all think "I wanna build this really cool engine with this, this, a bigger this, much more of that, and make a TON of power", when all we really need is a fairly stock engine with a decent cam slid in...

HioSSilver

iTrader: (8)

That's why i look at things from a acceleration stand point vs power standpoint.

BlwnLs1GTO

iTrader: (12)

Thanks, G! That's exactly the point I was trying to make but I can't help to make super long replies without the ability to get right-to-the-point. People have proven over and over again that a street driven car for the slightly above avg. people who can do their own work, only need
good quality parts without having the latest/greatest, monster intakes/TB's Cams, Heads that flow 900 CFM on a 6.0 ltr. etc... Just some easy upgrades to increase lift/duration with other minor things "if needed, such as larger PR's, Quality Lifters, etc.. to match your stock heads capabilities. And all else being equal, these engines run and run and run for a very long time when they're put together with proven combinations without going over the top. Here I go again, I'm gonna stop here before I make 10 more lines! lol.
K.I.S.S. So true in most cases. Look's like I'm going to pull out a fresh 408 with great parts and built for Boost at 9.6:1 (West Coast, no E85 here) and either sell it or hold onto it should I pull the trigger on a purpose built track car without a drivetrain.

Thanks again!
-DW