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Old Mar 4, 2020 | 07:24 PM
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I am about to pull the trigger on the following parts and was wondering if I was missing the mark on any.

The Engine is an LS1 Stock Except 243 Heads. It is going in an Lotus 7 replica road race car. Total weight is around 1450lbs.

Cam: Howards ASA with 113 LSA https://www.howardscams.com/hydrauli...0-7300-howards
Valve Springs: Comp Cams LS6+ https://www.compcams.com/0-580-max-l...retainers.html
Push Rods: Keeping the stock originals
Lifters: while the heads are off switching to ls7 lifters. Any suggestions on an decent budget set?
Intake: Will I benefit much from upgrading from the stock ls1 to LS6?
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Old Mar 4, 2020 | 07:51 PM
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You’re going to trash the motor when you bend a pushrod.
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Old Mar 4, 2020 | 08:08 PM
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If your worried about stress on the valve train and want to keep low lift get something with .550 lift and you can use the blue LS6 springs, it's a cheap effective combo, lots of people do it, I did previously. Although with 243 heads you would get some benefit from even more lift but cost will go up.
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Old Mar 4, 2020 | 08:17 PM
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Oh nearly forgot, 550 lift and designed to use LS6 springs, mine was a BTR truck cam with .551 lift Summit has a whole range of them close to that lift with there new cam line up for LS6 springs. Although the cam I had from Summit .545 lift from memory but measured less when I measured it.
Might as well run the most lift you can safely if you go via that route .550 is safe.

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Originally Posted by Sean Ryan
I am about to pull the trigger on the following parts and was wondering if I was missing the mark on any.

The Engine is an LS1 Stock Except 243 Heads. It is going in an Lotus 7 replica road race car. Total weight is around 1450lbs.

Cam: Howards ASA with 113 LSA https://www.howardscams.com/hydrauli...0-7300-howards
Valve Springs: Comp Cams LS6+ https://www.compcams.com/0-580-max-l...retainers.html
Push Rods: Keeping the stock originals
Lifters: while the heads are off switching to ls7 lifters. Any suggestions on an decent budget set?
Intake: Will I benefit much from upgrading from the stock ls1 to LS6?
Ditch the low lift cam , go with Summit Racing 8707 .... https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-8707 or WS6 store ASA high lift can ...... http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/...oducts_id=8670 and 11/32 PR and some slow leakdown lifters
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Old Mar 4, 2020 | 09:38 PM
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Yes that 8707 cam sounds amazing I nearly bought it just for the idle in video.

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Old Mar 4, 2020 | 09:48 PM
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Your selection will work fine.
It’s a 1450lb car guys. Would haul *** with a stone stock LS1.

The LS6 intake is worth 15hp or so
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Old Mar 4, 2020 | 10:22 PM
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Thanks for all the replies. I will check out the other cam selections. The one thing I liked about the ASA cam was the smooth power and flat torgue curves throughout the entire rpm range I run 2000-6500.

A couple of folks recommended upgrading the pushrods. If I stick with the low lift howards cam and LS6+ springs is that necessary?

Also, forgot that I needed to upgrade the cam sprocket to a 3 bolt version. Is the Cloyes c3210 ok to use? https://www.jegs.com/i/Cloyes/220/C-3210/10002/-1
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Old Mar 4, 2020 | 11:23 PM
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I used the cloyes CS 3220 for my LS1 worked well, I think it was an LS2 chain bit stronger, I bought mine off Amazon .
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Old Mar 4, 2020 | 11:28 PM
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If your only going to rev it to 6500 as you say above (that's what I would do too) then you should get a milder cam the peaks closer to 6000 it will still give a decent increase in power. It will feel incredible in a car that light whatever you do.
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Shoot, if it were me I’d might even just run a stock LS6 cam in that setup. You’d probably be around 385-390 wheel with the stock LS6 heads and an LS6 manifold. It would absolutely rip in a 1,450 pound vehicle.
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Unless your set on a choppy idle i would just do an ls6 topend. Great bang for the buck.
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Old Mar 5, 2020 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by TimsLS1
I used the cloyes CS 3220 for my LS1 worked well, I think it was an LS2 chain bit stronger, I bought mine off Amazon .
Yes I agree with TimsLS1 go with CS 3220 over the 3210 .The one he recommended is a great value , not sure I'd order on Amazon thought Iv had alot problems with them .
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OP, the community has made some great recommendations. The stage 2 Pro LS SUM-8707 would absolutely rip in a combo like yours. The lobes were designed to be very stable and easy on parts at 7000 rpm. It would work well in a road-race application. This would require some .600" lift capable beehives like the TFS-16918-16 springs which currently retail for $161.99.

We understand your trying to save some money on accessory parts needed. For strong power from 2000-6500 and using LS6 springs, we would recommend our stage 3 truck cam SUM-8713. Specs on it are .545"/.545", 222/231, 112+5. It will provide the power right where you're looking for it and be easy to tune. With a light car like yours, it will have a nice steady powerband to 6500. If you’re looking for something sized similar to the ASA cam, the stage 4 truck cam SUM-8714 would be a great choice. Specs on it are .545"/.545", 226/230, 112+4. It has a slightly more aggressive idle and the powerband climbs to 6800. Either of these pair well with the budget-friendly LS6 springs NAL-12499224. These springs currently retail for $85.62.

Keeping budget in mind. All three of our cams mentioned currently retail for $289.99 compared to the Howard's at $351.99.

As for pushrods, the common Chromoly 5/16" .080" wall $100 or less pushrod set would be great insurance for valvetrain stability. Likely a 7.400" would be the ticket for .545" lift. 7.425" is a little more common for .600" lift. As always you should measure for correct pushrod length.

We have you covered on the LS7 lifters with our SUM-HT214. These are also available in a kit with new trays and bolts SUM-HTLSKIT. The LS2 timing chain is what we include in our CMB-09-0029 cam change kit.

Something to think about for down the road is a better intake. The Dorman LS2 intake RNB-615-901 is a great deal and will outpower the LS1, LS6, and many aftermarket intakes.

Anything else that you may need we likely have it. We have a saying "we have everything you need for anything you drive" and we mean it.

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Originally Posted by madmann26
You’re going to trash the motor when you bend a pushrod.
That cam/spring combo isn't going to bend the stock pushrods.
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That cam will be fine for what you are doing. I've seen pushrods bent in stock 6 speed cars and have seen valve springs fail in stock vehicles of all kind trucks/cars.
look at the PSI 1511 springs . Just my 2 cents put pushrods and better springs in it . It's cheap insurance.
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Originally Posted by Summitracing
OP, the community has made some great recommendations. The stage 2 Pro LS SUM-8707 would absolutely rip in a combo like yours. The lobes were designed to be very stable and easy on parts at 7000 rpm. It would work well in a road-race application. This would require some .600" lift capable beehives like the TFS-16918-16 springs which currently retail for $161.99.

We understand your trying to save some money on accessory parts needed. For strong power from 2000-6500 and using LS6 springs, we would recommend our stage 3 truck cam SUM-8713. Specs on it are .545"/.545", 222/231, 112+5. It will provide the power right where you're looking for it and be easy to tune. With a light car like yours, it will have a nice steady powerband to 6500. If you’re looking for something sized similar to the ASA cam, the stage 4 truck cam SUM-8714 would be a great choice. Specs on it are .545"/.545", 226/230, 112+4. It has a slightly more aggressive idle and the powerband climbs to 6800. Either of these pair well with the budget-friendly LS6 springs NAL-12499224. These springs currently retail for $85.62.

Keeping budget in mind. All three of our cams mentioned currently retail for $289.99 compared to the Howard's at $351.99.

As for pushrods, the common Chromoly 5/16" .080" wall $100 or less pushrod set would be great insurance for valvetrain stability. Likely a 7.400" would be the ticket for .545" lift. 7.425" is a little more common for .600" lift. As always you should measure for correct pushrod length.

We have you covered on the LS7 lifters with our SUM-HT214. These are also available in a kit with new trays and bolts SUM-HTLSKIT. The LS2 timing chain is what we include in our CMB-09-0029 cam change kit.

Something to think about for down the road is a better intake. The Dorman LS2 intake RNB-615-901 is a great deal and will outpower the LS1, LS6, and many aftermarket intakes.

Anything else that you may need we likely have it. We have a saying "we have everything you need for anything you drive" and we mean it.
The 8713 or 8714 are your best options for power and durability in my eyes

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Our high lift asa cam is far superior to either of those and still use a pac beehive spring.
Ls1 with milled 243s unported and full exhaust on here made 430/420. Thats the 110lsa. We have a 115 lsa also for boost or quieter sound etc.
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