Recommended cam for my setup
06-09-2020, 04:45 PM
#41
Nothing official down a track, no. But it's definitely not that fast. I'm believe I am low to mid 12s. Aerforce gauge said 12.1 but that includes a squawk of the tires/uneven pavement etc...and who knows how accurate that is. Short answer is no, all I can do is totally guess at this point.
06-09-2020, 05:49 PM
#44
Nothing official down a track, no. But it's definitely not that fast. I'm believe I am low to mid 12s. Aerforce gauge said 12.1 but that includes a squawk of the tires/uneven pavement etc...and who knows how accurate that is. Short answer is no, all I can do is totally guess at this point.
Low 12's with minor bolt ons only is pretty much impossible. I don't remember what all you said you had but if you're just minor bolt ons like intake exhaust and maybe headers you're likely an upper 12 or 13's.
My car did fairly well for a full weight light mod car. It was intake headers cat back and stall and did 7.6 in the 1/8th with a 1.6 60, if you aren't on real good tires with a stall you're likely around a 2.0-2.2 60 and in the 13's. Upper 7's is upper 11's/low 12's
small cam, good stall, good tires, bolt ons should be upper 11's. Depending on elevation, if all everything is right
Then again, i've seen 4000+ rpm stall cars with MS4 cams go out and run 8.0's and 1.8 60 ft times.. but those were slapped together builds with little attention to detail.
06-09-2020, 07:20 PM
#45
Low 12's with minor bolt ons only is pretty much impossible. I don't remember what all you said you had but if you're just minor bolt ons like intake exhaust and maybe headers you're likely an upper 12 or 13's.
My car did fairly well for a full weight light mod car. It was intake headers cat back and stall and did 7.6 in the 1/8th with a 1.6 60, if you aren't on real good tires with a stall you're likely around a 2.0-2.2 60 and in the 13's. Upper 7's is upper 11's/low 12's
small cam, good stall, good tires, bolt ons should be upper 11's. Depending on elevation, if all everything is right
Then again, i've seen 4000+ rpm stall cars with MS4 cams go out and run 8.0's and 1.8 60 ft times.. but those were slapped together builds with little attention to detail.
My car did fairly well for a full weight light mod car. It was intake headers cat back and stall and did 7.6 in the 1/8th with a 1.6 60, if you aren't on real good tires with a stall you're likely around a 2.0-2.2 60 and in the 13's. Upper 7's is upper 11's/low 12's
small cam, good stall, good tires, bolt ons should be upper 11's. Depending on elevation, if all everything is right
Then again, i've seen 4000+ rpm stall cars with MS4 cams go out and run 8.0's and 1.8 60 ft times.. but those were slapped together builds with little attention to detail.
06-09-2020, 10:02 PM
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Low 12s are cake. I went 11.9 in a fcar that didn't have headers and the tune was stock......m6 car
Sxc has a nice set up bolt on 4gen running 11.6.
They can run 12s with free mods only.
It's not terrible hard to make them run 11s.
Sxc has a nice set up bolt on 4gen running 11.6.
They can run 12s with free mods only.
It's not terrible hard to make them run 11s.
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06-10-2020, 11:14 AM
#47
Was the car that didn't have headers that went 11.9 a hard top 01-02 car?
I don't know if an auto can get in the 12's with free mods only though, unless you pull weight and a good amount of it. My stock auto ran 13.7 with a couple of the free mods IIRC, that car got to real low 12's with ls6 intake, headers, stall and 3.73's. But it was full weight ++ (zr1 wheels and a system)
06-11-2020, 03:58 PM
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A auto could get into the 12s with free mods and gears imo.
The car that went 11.9 was a 99 or 00 z28. Had 00 exhaust manifolds on it cheesy ory dumped exhaust. It had a cobbled together PVC ram air , a eff'd up udp that was causing a misfire if you were rough with the car, drag pak on a dr, no front sway, stock tune, 3.73 gears, spec mini twin clutch. Probably weighed somewhere around 3200.....which is very easy to get to on those cars.
I was driving it. The car shifted like **** because the clutch fluid was low. They didn't figure that out till the day was over. The easier i drove it the faster it went. But shifting it was about like not using the clutch and just waiting on the rpm vs gear vs speed to match so it would drop into gear. Car easily had another 1 to 2 tenths left in it as it sat just fixing that.
The car that went 11.9 was a 99 or 00 z28. Had 00 exhaust manifolds on it cheesy ory dumped exhaust. It had a cobbled together PVC ram air , a eff'd up udp that was causing a misfire if you were rough with the car, drag pak on a dr, no front sway, stock tune, 3.73 gears, spec mini twin clutch. Probably weighed somewhere around 3200.....which is very easy to get to on those cars.
I was driving it. The car shifted like **** because the clutch fluid was low. They didn't figure that out till the day was over. The easier i drove it the faster it went. But shifting it was about like not using the clutch and just waiting on the rpm vs gear vs speed to match so it would drop into gear. Car easily had another 1 to 2 tenths left in it as it sat just fixing that.
06-11-2020, 04:38 PM
#49
A auto could get into the 12s with free mods and gears imo.
The car that went 11.9 was a 99 or 00 z28. Had 00 exhaust manifolds on it cheesy ory dumped exhaust. It had a cobbled together PVC ram air , a eff'd up udp that was causing a misfire if you were rough with the car, drag pak on a dr, no front sway, stock tune, 3.73 gears, spec mini twin clutch. Probably weighed somewhere around 3200.....which is very easy to get to on those cars.
I was driving it. The car shifted like **** because the clutch fluid was low. They didn't figure that out till the day was over. The easier i drove it the faster it went. But shifting it was about like not using the clutch and just waiting on the rpm vs gear vs speed to match so it would drop into gear. Car easily had another 1 to 2 tenths left in it as it sat just fixing that.
The car that went 11.9 was a 99 or 00 z28. Had 00 exhaust manifolds on it cheesy ory dumped exhaust. It had a cobbled together PVC ram air , a eff'd up udp that was causing a misfire if you were rough with the car, drag pak on a dr, no front sway, stock tune, 3.73 gears, spec mini twin clutch. Probably weighed somewhere around 3200.....which is very easy to get to on those cars.
I was driving it. The car shifted like **** because the clutch fluid was low. They didn't figure that out till the day was over. The easier i drove it the faster it went. But shifting it was about like not using the clutch and just waiting on the rpm vs gear vs speed to match so it would drop into gear. Car easily had another 1 to 2 tenths left in it as it sat just fixing that.
I hear ya on all that, and fully agree that'll do it
However you said get in the 12's with free mods, drag packs, gears exhaust no matter what style clutch etc aint free lol! Edit: you said an auto with gears and free mods. Yeah if it's weight reduction and gears I think so too. High 12's though I feel, unless it's some freak deal. I feel like my car was a pretty average auto car, it did 299 hp and 315 tq to the tires stock, 2.0 60 ft and 13.7's stock. I don't know what the best is stock but I've heard some guys say theirs ran 14's stock.
Now if you're talking pulling a ton of weight out for free then yeah that'll get you there too. When I hear free mods I think of all the goofy stuff like bypassing the TB coolant hoses, cutting the egr pipe off in the intake, uplugging the egr little goofy stuff.
06-12-2020, 07:43 PM
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No i said they'll go 12s with free mods and they will. That's no drag pak, stock clutch if it's working properly, stock gear for the m6 cars and stock exhaust/free mod exhaust.....at full weight.
That was a loaded 00 ta. 12.9@110
My own car went 13.0@109 with just a gms maf and air lid but no free mods. Then 12.6 with free mods, poopy mac headers on the stock catback.
No dr on either car.
I have limited experience with auto cars. 2.73 geared cars were a little turdy. There was a bracket racer at my track that had a new ss camaro back in the day. He seemed to get consistent 13.3-13.5 with it. Idk if it was 100% stock but there were no mods on it you could see. It was a new car back then.
That was a loaded 00 ta. 12.9@110
My own car went 13.0@109 with just a gms maf and air lid but no free mods. Then 12.6 with free mods, poopy mac headers on the stock catback.
No dr on either car.
I have limited experience with auto cars. 2.73 geared cars were a little turdy. There was a bracket racer at my track that had a new ss camaro back in the day. He seemed to get consistent 13.3-13.5 with it. Idk if it was 100% stock but there were no mods on it you could see. It was a new car back then.
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02-10-2021, 08:26 PM
#52
Hate to bump this once again.. ran into a snag. The ghost cam won't be available until March. My 799 castings will be done before then. This is a project I want done before spring. I've been gathering lots of necessary items for the cam install along with supporting mods. What cam would one consider a step up from the ghost cam, with decent drivability. The summit stage 2? Or something entirely different? I'm open minded. I know the tune has a lot to do with it, but I dont want something obnoxious and annoying.
Reminder
3400/3600 PTC stall
3.23 gears
Stage 2 799 heads
1 7/8 headers
3 ORY
Stock ls1 intake (im going with a fast 90/92)
SSRA
Reminder
3400/3600 PTC stall
3.23 gears
Stage 2 799 heads
1 7/8 headers
3 ORY
Stock ls1 intake (im going with a fast 90/92)
SSRA
02-10-2021, 08:57 PM
#53
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Then go a step DOWN from the Ghost Cam. The reason it works so well is because of its mild manners in spite of its bigger specs. Any more and things get ragged in a hurry...
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02-10-2021, 09:05 PM
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02-11-2021, 09:42 AM
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OP,
Sorry for any confusion. The Ghost cam is in stock and ready to ship. It's now part number SUM-8715R1. We worked with our lobe designer and found small tweaks that could make the original Ghost cam even better. We can't dive into specifics due to this being proprietary information. What we can say is the new version will be even easier on the valvetrain than it was already. It should also carry out another 200+ rpm than the previous version. Specs are all the same other than the exhaust duration moves up one degree to 234*. So that now gives us a .600/.575, 222/234, 115+3.
One thing we want to make clear is this is still made by the same manufacture with the same quality right here in the USA!
Sorry for any confusion. The Ghost cam is in stock and ready to ship. It's now part number SUM-8715R1. We worked with our lobe designer and found small tweaks that could make the original Ghost cam even better. We can't dive into specifics due to this being proprietary information. What we can say is the new version will be even easier on the valvetrain than it was already. It should also carry out another 200+ rpm than the previous version. Specs are all the same other than the exhaust duration moves up one degree to 234*. So that now gives us a .600/.575, 222/234, 115+3.
One thing we want to make clear is this is still made by the same manufacture with the same quality right here in the USA!
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02-11-2021, 11:16 AM
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^^^^^^^^ Here ya go Tyler!
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03-26-2021, 12:08 PM
#59
I went with the Summit Ghost Cam.
I picked up some 799 castings for super cheap ($100 shipped)
So what my question is, these are sent off to TSP for head work. What do you recommend on milling them to, and what gaskets? I see in MAVN's thread he used 706 castings and had them milled .015 to a 59CC chamber. He used stock MLS gaskets. This type of stuff is new to me. Ideas?
I picked up some 799 castings for super cheap ($100 shipped)
So what my question is, these are sent off to TSP for head work. What do you recommend on milling them to, and what gaskets? I see in MAVN's thread he used 706 castings and had them milled .015 to a 59CC chamber. He used stock MLS gaskets. This type of stuff is new to me. Ideas?