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Old Aug 26, 2020 | 06:40 PM
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I have been doing some looking and it's just making my head spin so its time to ask lol.
I have everything to use 317 or 823 head on my lc8, from what I understand it's like an lq4 but with gen 4 rods and the 823 heads with different valves and seat for cng.
I'm not sure what heads I want to run. Both need some work. 317 needs to be milled a little to clean up some scratches. And the 823 dropped a valve damaging the seat. So I'm not sure if I want to the the 317s shaved a little or 823. If I do 823 then the next question would be when is it worth to put lighter intake valves in.
When the build is all said and done it will have a turbo, and i have a 231/234 cam for it. Its mostly street use track every now and then.
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If your going turbo then the 317's will be fine.
I would personally find another set of 823's if the budget allows and use them, not only are they better heads but the intake is also better.
I also wouldnt go with a cam quite that big if doing a turbo, not that it wont work but its just not needed.
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That's one reason I was thinking about the 823, better intake. But what concerns me is the intake valve size/weight and some say the casting is not very good and doesn't like boost. I think I can put a new seat and valve in and they will be fine.
I went with the larger of the 2 cams I was looking at few reason
To do be a little different.
My truck is front heavy so giving up a little down low maybe a good thing for traction, and the exhaust valve opening time should help spool the turbo a little better.
All of that could be wrong but I'm willing to try it.

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That's one reason I was thinking about the 823, better intake. But what concerns me is the intake valve size/weight and some say the casting is not very good and doesn't like boost. I think I can put a new seat and valve in and they will be fine.
I went with the larger of the 2 cams I was looking at few reason
To do be a little different.
My truck is front heavy so giving up a little down low maybe a good thing for traction, and the exhaust valve opening time should help spool the turbo a little better.
All of that could be wrong but I'm willing to try it.
This is going in a truck, not sure on the use or intended goal. But I would go with ported cathedral head But if you would decide to go with the 8:23 I would rethink my cam selection I would go with a much bigger split in something smaller on the intake side.....

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Just a s10 so it wont be towing. Mostly street some 1/4 stuff. I have been pageing through older threads, my searching must of to specific, looks like the general consensus is the 823 work best with a 400+ ci. So I'm leaning to the 317s, doing some port work to then, and putting the 823 on the shelf for future use.
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Just a s10 so it wont be towing. Mostly street some 1/4 stuff. I have been pageing through older threads, my searching must of to specific, looks like the general consensus is the 823 work best with a 400+ ci. So I'm leaning to the 317s, doing some port work to then, and putting the 823 on the shelf for future use.
Oh S10 you should be fine , I don't generally like the 823 for 4 inch bore my general rule is I need at least 4.030 or bigger to get the max benefit out of a rectangle port. A good set-of ported cathedrals will yield more power and torque low and mid-range than 823 and give very little up top end .
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823 = more power at less boost..... period
You can look through all the old threads you want to
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That is true for making more power, that's why I'm going to keep them around. If I put them on I want to put lighter intake valves in it to take some stress off the valve train and that's not going to fit in my budget this time around.
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823 = more power at less boost..... period
You can look through all the old threads you want to
I missed the part where he is going turbo , that changes things I would not even port the heads .just crank it up
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That is true for making more power, that's why I'm going to keep them around. If I put them on I want to put lighter intake valves in it to take some stress off the valve train and that's not going to fit in my budget this time around.
so what are you asking then?
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