Are cometic head gaskets junk???
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Are cometic head gaskets junk??? Seems like I've been hearing alot about leaky cometic head gaskets lately. What's the word on this? I have a set sitting here ready to go on my 422 but I've been thinking about getting a set of felpro's instead. Help me make up my mind. I can't afford down time for a leaky gasket and wait for a new set to get here.
Re: Are cometic head gaskets junk??? go ahead and use the cometics.
i would never use anything other than a cometic gasket on my car. the leaking happens when the middle layer peices are not alligned or properly seated. when the oring portion of the middle layer doesn't sit flush in the surrounding layer that's when the leaking occures and you junk the gasket if you tighten the heads down on them like that.
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i would never use anything other than a cometic gasket on my car. the leaking happens when the middle layer peices are not alligned or properly seated. when the oring portion of the middle layer doesn't sit flush in the surrounding layer that's when the leaking occures and you junk the gasket if you tighten the heads down on them like that.
hope this helps
Re: Are cometic head gaskets junk??? Make sure to get the "HP" Cometic gasket. Don't buy the standard Cometic gasket. The HP stands for high perfomrance and will hold up to a lot more horse power. The standard gasket will not hold boost..... <img border="0" alt="[bang head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" />
Re: Are cometic head gaskets junk??? As a added note; make sure that both the deck surfaces (head and block) are absolutely true. The MLS style gaskets don't absorb too much in surface imperfections.
Stick with the HP's! If the engine is still on the stand it will be much easier to install the HP's with the O-ring.
Stick with the HP's! If the engine is still on the stand it will be much easier to install the HP's with the O-ring.
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Re: Are cometic head gaskets junk??? Felpros are junk i had a set on for 2500 miles and the water jacket blew out. Use the cometics just make sure every thing is true and that u put them on right.
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Re: Are cometic head gaskets junk??? Maybe JPR will chime in here. I am going through the same dilemma. I have a big bore and was going with the cometic until I heard of many of them leaking. JPR told me that 4?? of his 422's leaked because of the Cometics. He said he is now using Fel-Pro's and haven't had a problem, based on that I went with the heavy duty Fe-Pro and am keeping my fingers crossed.
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Re: Are cometic head gaskets junk??? Ive used Cometics on three seperate occassions. All worked flawlessly. They are a very tough gasket. I have blown them a few times and each time all they did was allow the coolant system to pressurize slightly. The car was even drivable on motor...just couldnt spray or it would pressurize the coolant system. And this was after spraying a 325 shot on my 383...probably around 725 rwhp with too much timing and lots of detonation.
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Re: Are cometic head gaskets junk??? I hope that JPR does chime in we had many problems with the cometic's. Personally I wouldn't use them again i had TWO sets leak on me and got no restitution. So i guess its just personal choice. Ask JPR for any more info.
Re: Are cometic head gaskets junk??? They had a faulty design on the 98 head gaskets because they didn't seal all of the coolant passages. My friend showed them the error in their design, and now the correction is being used. I am about to use these on my engine. I just got both surfaces machined to ensure a perfect mounting surface. I am not worried about having them leak. They appear to be of very high quality pieces.
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Re: Are cometic head gaskets junk??? Just used a set on a 427 - definetly leaked coolant. Will never use again. Head (LS6) and block (C5R) were (and still are) perfectly true. The stock bolts/torque specs are apparently not enough for these gaskets. Replaced with fel-pros, no problems.
Re: Are cometic head gaskets junk??? I had a problem with my Cometics on a 01 TA.Loss coolant,oil in the coolant.Replaced with Felpro's.
Also installed a set in a friends car and his are holding up fine.
A problem or fix I noticed is that you need to torque Cometics atleast 4 times to get them to compress all the way.If this is not done they can easilly leak.
Also installed a set in a friends car and his are holding up fine.
A problem or fix I noticed is that you need to torque Cometics atleast 4 times to get them to compress all the way.If this is not done they can easilly leak.
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Re: Are cometic head gaskets junk??? We built 3 engines with Cometics, I am a very detail oriented motor builder, our block / head surfaces were true, needless to say, almost 1,000 dollars worth of Cometic gaskets leaked, one motor pulled, pressure tested, decks checked, (upon Cometics advise) re-installed with Cometics and leaked again. I switched over to the Fel Pros which were not available at the time we originally started these projects, still in use with -0- problems to date so all is well now. Situational? doubt it.. Installers error? Fat chance.. All I will say is I am the last person on earth to say a bad thing about another company, BUT when I lodge several complaints about a product and there is no refunds/apologies/replacement gaskets, I get a little upset. This above mentioned situation had me apologizing to a few people because I accused them of shoddy machine work for no reason. Sorry for the vent, but I was asked buy 3 board members to weigh in on this subject.
Joe Prince.
Joe Prince.
Re: Are cometic head gaskets junk??? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JPR:
<strong> We built 3 engines with Cometics, I am a very detail oriented motor builder, our block / head surfaces were true, needless to say, almost 1,000 dollars worth of Cometic gaskets leaked, one motor pulled, pressure tested, decks checked, (upon Cometics advise) re-installed with Cometics and leaked again. I switched over to the Fel Pros which were not available at the time we originally started these projects, still in use with -0- problems to date so all is well now. Situational? doubt it.. Installers error? Fat chance.. All I will say is I am the last person on earth to say a bad thing about another company, BUT when I lodge several complaints about a product and there is no refunds/apologies/replacement gaskets, I get a little upset. This above mentioned situation had me apologizing to a few people because I accused them of shoddy machine work for no reason. Sorry for the vent, but I was asked buy 3 board members to weigh in on this subject.
Joe Prince. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Doesn't take a geniues to realize this guy is right. Look how many posts show up on leaky cometics. There can't be that many install errors. Few people have trouble with stock gaskets on stock bore motors.
<strong> We built 3 engines with Cometics, I am a very detail oriented motor builder, our block / head surfaces were true, needless to say, almost 1,000 dollars worth of Cometic gaskets leaked, one motor pulled, pressure tested, decks checked, (upon Cometics advise) re-installed with Cometics and leaked again. I switched over to the Fel Pros which were not available at the time we originally started these projects, still in use with -0- problems to date so all is well now. Situational? doubt it.. Installers error? Fat chance.. All I will say is I am the last person on earth to say a bad thing about another company, BUT when I lodge several complaints about a product and there is no refunds/apologies/replacement gaskets, I get a little upset. This above mentioned situation had me apologizing to a few people because I accused them of shoddy machine work for no reason. Sorry for the vent, but I was asked buy 3 board members to weigh in on this subject.
Joe Prince. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Doesn't take a geniues to realize this guy is right. Look how many posts show up on leaky cometics. There can't be that many install errors. Few people have trouble with stock gaskets on stock bore motors.
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Re: Are cometic head gaskets junk??? Below is a link to a thread I posted on another forum regarding my problem with Cometics during a h/c job I did on my '02 C5 and the final solution.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=489800
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=489800
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Re: Are cometic head gaskets junk??? I work next to Lingenfelter shop here in Dallas. They will only use Cometic on all their motors. They have many 427 big bore twin turbo motors, putting out over 600 rwhp. They have never had a problem. They said that they spray permatec HI TAC (same as the copper sealant spray)on all the gaskets before using. Never had a leak. I have used Cometic on all my motor rebuilds and never had one leak. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Re: Are cometic head gaskets junk??? <img border="0" alt="[bang head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" />
I just got Cometic's......Hopefully I don't have any problems.....I wlll torque those dang things till the cows come home....
I just got Cometic's......Hopefully I don't have any problems.....I wlll torque those dang things till the cows come home....