E1839P cam ls1
E1839P cam ls1 Does anyone use the E1839P cam in an ls1 or other gen 3 motor with good results? Curious if the cams were hardened or durable for the new style roller lifter engines.
Ah you think this is true i had asked about there 1839 220/224 112 cam. This is the ebay E1839P that sells on amazon as well for around 150$ I had asked about their durability and she replied that they were stainless steel? Is this possible?
Hello
The camshaft with high quality ,and one year warranty.The stainless steel material is very durable.
As the picture shows
Lydia
The camshaft is hardened to withstand durability or the new designed roller cams correct? and wont eat into the cam lobes like an an old style solid cam?Your previous message
Hello
The camshaft with high quality ,and one year warranty.The stainless steel material is very durable.
As the picture shows
Lydia
The camshaft is hardened to withstand durability or the new designed roller cams correct? and wont eat into the cam lobes like an an old style solid cam?Your previous message
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Run from this and buy from reputable dealers.
I'd order direct from Elgin or reputable vendor even if it cost a little more than risk a fleabay/amazon cam from an unknown seller.
Likewise, would use LS1Tech market place to find a cam or used cam over fleabay etc.
Likewise, would use LS1Tech market place to find a cam or used cam over fleabay etc.
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Vendors have been selling knockoffs under the "Sloppy Stage X" titles for a little while, and recently even adopted the "E18XXP" grind designations that Elgin uses. Are they still a good cam? Do they have longevity? Is the quality consistent? No way to tell, especially since it's not guaranteed to even be the same knockoff machine shop grinding them. Best way to ensure it's really made by Elgin is to buy directly from a proven source.
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Verdad Gallardo You bet i asked a few of the cheaper vendors with the 158$ knock off or E1839P advertised if it was a genuine elgin and came in a elgin box heres what they told me. The regular elgin i believe is around 260$ with a name brand on the box. It was worth the information from the ebay seller before buying.
dear customer
thanks for your message
the item is our own brand not the elgin
it can replace the elgin directly
for now, we don't have the picture of the box it ships in.
Hi,
Thank you for your inquiry.
This is an aftermarket one. Sorry it won't fit 99 year.
Best
Goldie
dear customer
thanks for your message
the item is our own brand not the elgin
it can replace the elgin directly
for now, we don't have the picture of the box it ships in.
Hi,
Thank you for your inquiry.
This is an aftermarket one. Sorry it won't fit 99 year.
Best
Goldie
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If it won't fit a "99 year" LS it wont fit ANY YEAR LS!
Buy from reputable dealers/distributors/manufacturers.
None of the people you quoted above can be trusted any further than you can throw them, especially Lydia or Goldie, which are not names many Chinese parents name their kids.
Look at the structure of their sentences. English is their second language.... a DISTANT second...
Buy from reputable dealers/distributors/manufacturers.
None of the people you quoted above can be trusted any further than you can throw them, especially Lydia or Goldie, which are not names many Chinese parents name their kids.
Look at the structure of their sentences. English is their second language.... a DISTANT second...
Yes i found a few vendors with the brand elgin on ebay for the 1838 1839 and 1840. They have the jegs and tfs interchange part numbers when i looked them up on jegs and summit the cams were the exact same specs ranging from 251$-283$. If i do get one it'll be a real elgin or from jegs/summit as i spoke with elgin thru email this morning suggested the 1840 60hp gains but would require converter and tune as the 1838 1839 supposedly would run on a stock tune is what the elgin spokesperson told me from a 5.3-6.0. You may be right a 250$-280$ 216/220 or 220/224 would rune on the stock tune with a set of pac 1218s and 1 piece pushrods. There is a 223/223 114 lsa elgin cam but its hard to find a vendor that sells them he said as they were a cam factory and not a cam retailer. I did have smaller bullet cam in my 98 6 speed that idoled and ran fine untuned.
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I seen BTR has the weekend warrior kits for 299$ with the cam, .560 springs and seals and comes out to 302$ shipped with free shipping. Anyone use his kits? Any idea how strong the .560 springs are or will last in terms of a daily driven weekend warrior? This is the particular cam i was looking at.
BTR WEEKEND WARRIOR CAM KIT (briantooleyracing.com)
BTR GEN III & IV WEEKEND WARRIOR CAM - STAGE 3 - 31824133R1
218/224 .553/.553 113+3
would it be best to start a new thread related to this? Its about the same as the elgin 1838 1839 cams.
KMJperformance has the elgin E1839P for around 236$ on ebay. Either the weekend warrior for 249$ or elgin with a set of pac 1218s or are the .560 BTR springs adequate enough for his weekend warrior but DAILY DRIVEN corvette in terms of say 50k miles?
Melling has something similar to the elgin .223/.223 catalog More Information for MELLING 22201 (rockauto.com)
BTR WEEKEND WARRIOR CAM KIT (briantooleyracing.com)
BTR GEN III & IV WEEKEND WARRIOR CAM - STAGE 3 - 31824133R1
218/224 .553/.553 113+3
would it be best to start a new thread related to this? Its about the same as the elgin 1838 1839 cams.
KMJperformance has the elgin E1839P for around 236$ on ebay. Either the weekend warrior for 249$ or elgin with a set of pac 1218s or are the .560 BTR springs adequate enough for his weekend warrior but DAILY DRIVEN corvette in terms of say 50k miles?
Melling has something similar to the elgin .223/.223 catalog More Information for MELLING 22201 (rockauto.com)
Last edited by 95maroz28; Nov 17, 2021 at 09:42 PM.
Yes i spoke to kmjperformance thru ebay said it was a real cam and the best price he had was 236.99$ on ebay. Im undecided between a BTR weekend warrior and one of these or a used 224r.
Spoke with BTR he said he was phasing out his old cams why theyre 249.99 vs 349$ i believe and has the weekend warrior stage 3 for or seling its inventory out for 299$ with the his .560 springs and ls valve seals but still used the same core so it should be a durable cam. He stated on a 5.3 with a tune and that cam picked up 62hp but depends on the tuner. Has anyone used his cams with the .560 springs and put miles to test out their durability? He said they were his own particular springs and didnt have any bad reports about valve float or dropped valve due to springs breaking. Im still undecided as i think the 299$ cam kit may be great for my 99 corvette auto 4l60e with TSP cam and CAI. Anyone have the stage 3 weekend warrior or dealt with BTR to make sure their stuff is good quality and durable to withstand the daily driven abuse and weekend drag racer? Not sure if his .560 springs are best or simply a kmj elgin 1839 or btr stage 3 cam for 230$ under his garage sell listings with a set of pac 1218s. I read stuff back in 2009 about single springs dropping valves. Anyone have any comments? I did use manley duals with titanium retainers but that was on a 98 camaro z28 6 speed with a smaller bullet camshaft and s475 turbo. Mainly liked the dual springs for valve float reasons and incase a single beehive spring broke it wouldnt drop a valve. Anyone have any comments about this or dropped a valve with a single spring?
Last edited by 95maroz28; Nov 18, 2021 at 02:08 PM.
Still havent decided I think Elgins 1839 cam is nice but so is the BTR weekend warrior stage 3. In regards to the knock offs on ebay heres what elgin told me.
Hi Justin,
If it’s not advertised as Elgin, then it’s probably not Elgin. We are an actual factory, we cannot sell retail.
For cams, the E-1840-P / Sloppy Stage 2 is the most popular. Adds 60 hp to a 4.8/5.3 with only swapped springs, should need a converter, tune required. The 1840 in a 6.0/6.2, will work great with turbo, supercharger, nitrous too. We have several customers making 1000+ whp with this cam. Supposedly the 1838 & 1839 will work with a stock tune. There’s lots of feedback that the 1838 is a great daily driver with very similar off-the-line throttle response, plus added top end power. The 1200 series cams are OE GM grinds with descriptions included below.
E-1838-P : C : Sloppy Stage 1
E-1839-P : C : Secret Sauce X
E-1840-P : D : Sloppy Stage 2
E-1841-P : D : Sloppy Stage 3
The 1800 series cams have a stock base-circle, so a stock length push rod is fine if all other components are also stock.
A quick note on torque converter stall speed: the generic power range of the E-1840-p is 2200-5400 rpm (even though it has proven to continue to produce power beyond 7000 with power adders.) Most street-builds ususally end up with a 22-2500 stall speed. However, there is some engineering that goes into stall speed selection, and that is best recommended by a converter company. Other than cam and trans info, they are going to need to know:
Stall Speed Info Needed:
Vehicle Weight
Axle Gear Ratio
Tire Size
I had copy and pasted certain stuff from the email elgin sent me. Im thinking of there E-1839-P Secret Sauce X cam with 286/282 220/224 112lsa .575/.575
Seems like it would work with the stock converter nicely on a 3250lb 99 c5 corvette with tsp headers, CAI, 3.15 gears.
The BTR weekend warrior is a little low on lift .553/.553 but i think would make good power for a daily driven corvette. This should help in regards to the knock off ebay advertisements with a diff base circle and or reground cam. These cams are around the 240$-260$ price range new so would cover the pac 1218s with a nice set of 1 piece pushrods. It may be able to run on the stock tune for a while once it relearns until i can afford a tune.
Hi Justin,
If it’s not advertised as Elgin, then it’s probably not Elgin. We are an actual factory, we cannot sell retail.
For cams, the E-1840-P / Sloppy Stage 2 is the most popular. Adds 60 hp to a 4.8/5.3 with only swapped springs, should need a converter, tune required. The 1840 in a 6.0/6.2, will work great with turbo, supercharger, nitrous too. We have several customers making 1000+ whp with this cam. Supposedly the 1838 & 1839 will work with a stock tune. There’s lots of feedback that the 1838 is a great daily driver with very similar off-the-line throttle response, plus added top end power. The 1200 series cams are OE GM grinds with descriptions included below.
E-1838-P : C : Sloppy Stage 1
E-1839-P : C : Secret Sauce X
E-1840-P : D : Sloppy Stage 2
E-1841-P : D : Sloppy Stage 3
The 1800 series cams have a stock base-circle, so a stock length push rod is fine if all other components are also stock.
A quick note on torque converter stall speed: the generic power range of the E-1840-p is 2200-5400 rpm (even though it has proven to continue to produce power beyond 7000 with power adders.) Most street-builds ususally end up with a 22-2500 stall speed. However, there is some engineering that goes into stall speed selection, and that is best recommended by a converter company. Other than cam and trans info, they are going to need to know:
Stall Speed Info Needed:
Vehicle Weight
Axle Gear Ratio
Tire Size
I had copy and pasted certain stuff from the email elgin sent me. Im thinking of there E-1839-P Secret Sauce X cam with 286/282 220/224 112lsa .575/.575
Seems like it would work with the stock converter nicely on a 3250lb 99 c5 corvette with tsp headers, CAI, 3.15 gears.
The BTR weekend warrior is a little low on lift .553/.553 but i think would make good power for a daily driven corvette. This should help in regards to the knock off ebay advertisements with a diff base circle and or reground cam. These cams are around the 240$-260$ price range new so would cover the pac 1218s with a nice set of 1 piece pushrods. It may be able to run on the stock tune for a while once it relearns until i can afford a tune.
Last edited by 95maroz28; Dec 2, 2021 at 09:58 AM.
I have a BTR stage 2(older grind) 227/234 cam with ported 243 heads and DLS2 intake. Put down 400 at the wheels with the throttle body only opening to 87%(we found that at a later date).