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Old Nov 17, 2021 | 01:58 PM
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Default Compression Ratio with 317 heads on a LS1?

Wondering if anyone has calculated this? Gaskets are 6.0 ltr .051 compressed thickness. Thanks
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Old Nov 17, 2021 | 02:18 PM
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9.75:1 with 71cc chamber 317 heads on an LS1.
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317s are pointless on a ls1 unless you are boosting the hell out of it. If it’s na don’t waste your time or money on 317s
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Old Nov 18, 2021 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Z28SteveA4
317s are pointless on a ls1 unless you are boosting the hell out of it. If it’s na don’t waste your time or money on 317s
Even with boost I don't understand why anyone would be trying to lower their compression ratio...

That being said there is a big thread on here by cammotion that you should read through with all the cam testing. It's really funny to me some of the tests because when they start testing the rectangular port stuff versus the cathedral port on the ly6 short block with the valve relief Pistons The compression ratio goes in the toilet, however with the same big cam the bigger port heads still Make the most top end power despite the crappy compression difference and the losses on the low end versus the 243 or the 706 simply because the engine is just not trapping enough air at low speed but the trade-off in that test then is the ability of the engine to flow air at high speed So what I'm actually wondering is on an engine dyno is it possible that the 317s could out horsepower the 241s on a 5.7L short block If you revved it high enough to take advantage of the larger intake ports despite the lower compression and possible turbulence incurred by the larger chamber? That's the only benefit I could see if one at all? Then again this website has pretty much gone in the toilet as far as actual tech goes and I'm just rambling here while everyone regurgitates the same crap so whatever. I'm also named Steve and I have two A4 Camaros so there buddy.
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317s are pointless on a ls1 unless you are boosting the hell out of it. If it’s na don’t waste your time or money on 317s
Im doing a stroker kit and I'm looking at 317s with 72CC chambers it'll give me 10.8:1 on a final 392 stroker with a 4.100 crank and punching the bore out to a 3.905. I talked to the guys at AI, they did my 243s back in the day and they said that port and polished 317s will out flow a set of port and polished 241s.
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Im doing a stroker kit and I'm looking at 317s with 72CC chambers it'll give me 10.8:1 on a final 392 stroker with a 4.100 crank and punching the bore out to a 3.905. I talked to the guys at AI, they did my 243s back in the day and they said that port and polished 317s will out flow a set of port and polished 241s.
What sort of block can take a 4.1 stroke but only 3.9 bore? The sleeve length on an iron block or anything factory thats not an LS7 is only 5.45" or so, are you re-sleeving the block?
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What sort of block can take a 4.1 stroke but only 3.9 bore? The sleeve length on an iron block or anything factory thats not an LS7 is only 5.45" or so, are you re-sleeving the block?
My guess an LS1/LS6 block.

Back in the day (99 to 01), some folks would put a 4.1 crank in a LS1/LS6 block with varying degrees of success based on the builder.

Depending on piston etc some ran for a while and some burned oil at alarming rates etc.
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Originally Posted by 99 Black Bird T/A
My guess an LS1/LS6 block.

Back in the day (99 to 01), some folks would put a 4.1 crank in a LS1/LS6 block with varying degrees of success based on the builder.

Depending on piston etc some ran for a while and some burned oil at alarming rates etc.
You sir hit the nail on the head. My buddy has an engine builder that put a bug in my ear. He also mentioned what you said that back in the day it was a hit or miss but he also mentioned that engineering has come a long way on cranks rings piston etc etc. The shops about an hour and change were I'm from and they have good reviews. Definitely thinking of going that route.
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Originally Posted by 02*C5
Im doing a stroker kit and I'm looking at 317s with 72CC chambers it'll give me 10.8:1 on a final 392 stroker with a 4.100 crank and punching the bore out to a 3.905. I talked to the guys at AI, they did my 243s back in the day and they said that port and polished 317s will out flow a set of port and polished 241s.
this is correct the ports of a 317 head are the same as a 243/799 head the problem is the combustion camber size being the 72cc as compared to 64cc of a 243/799 head. If you are putting these heads on a factory lower end yes this a bad idea then keeping your 241 heads or going to 243/799. You compression is going to drop significantly. When you are able to change bottom end pieces to after market then yes you can mess around with the pieces like pistons and piston height to higher compression to work with the 317 heads.
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