its 2022, what solid roller lifter should we go with?
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its 2022, what solid roller lifter should we go with? i need 2 sets actually, one for my car thats currently up and running that we wanna do a LLSR swap on, and the other is for a motor that will probably begin getting assembled in late january that will also be LLSR. so with supply issues and whats in stock/out of stock i think we may wanna order them now. i dont think i need to really give any setup info other than both cars will be under 8000 rpms, since solid lifters really arent picky like hydraulics as far as valve events go (i think). should be stock .842 lifters, ill double check this but 99% sure we arent doing any machining on the LSA block for this. i contacted cammotion and they wanted me to do a morel, but the problem is the morel with axle oiling seems to not be in stock anytime soon. When i asked what other axle oiling lifters they have , i was pretty much told i need to source them elsewhere.
so i have a few questions and concerns. Budget is kinda the least of my worries at this point
1) really no reason to not do axle oiling correct?
2) im goona need more than one suggestion since i need to call around and see ship times. i at least want a set within a few weeks for my car that is currently up and running.
3) from what ive read on here bushing and bearing lifters are a toss up on here so not really worried about that
4) and no special lifters are needed for a LLSR correct? any solid lifter will work correct?
here are my thoughts, it would appear that i could get comps to my door in roughly 2-3 weeks....any opinions on comp?
next thought would be a crower or an isky. not many people run crower on the street level stuff. i figured isky and crower would be direct from manufacturer so could probably get a decently accurate ship date from these guys. any input appreciated
so i have a few questions and concerns. Budget is kinda the least of my worries at this point
1) really no reason to not do axle oiling correct?
2) im goona need more than one suggestion since i need to call around and see ship times. i at least want a set within a few weeks for my car that is currently up and running.
3) from what ive read on here bushing and bearing lifters are a toss up on here so not really worried about that
4) and no special lifters are needed for a LLSR correct? any solid lifter will work correct?
here are my thoughts, it would appear that i could get comps to my door in roughly 2-3 weeks....any opinions on comp?
next thought would be a crower or an isky. not many people run crower on the street level stuff. i figured isky and crower would be direct from manufacturer so could probably get a decently accurate ship date from these guys. any input appreciated
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Chris's Straub Technologies usually has a pretty nice selection of quality parts with good availability. Maybe see what they have available.
i need 2 sets actually, one for my car thats currently up and running that we wanna do a LLSR swap on, and the other is for a motor that will probably begin getting assembled in late january that will also be LLSR. so with supply issues and whats in stock/out of stock i think we may wanna order them now. i dont think i need to really give any setup info other than both cars will be under 8000 rpms, since solid lifters really arent picky like hydraulics as far as valve events go (i think). should be stock .842 lifters, ill double check this but 99% sure we arent doing any machining on the LSA block for this. i contacted cammotion and they wanted me to do a morel, but the problem is the morel with axle oiling seems to not be in stock anytime soon. When i asked what other axle oiling lifters they have , i was pretty much told i need to source them elsewhere.
so i have a few questions and concerns. Budget is kinda the least of my worries at this point
1) really no reason to not do axle oiling correct?
……I wouldn’t consider not going with axle oiling, with a solid roller.
2) im goona need more than one suggestion since i need to call around and see ship times. i at least want a set within a few weeks for my car that is currently up and running.
…..For a solid lifter, I like Isky and Comp. I’m running Isky in the Chevelles 434 and they are nice.
3) from what ive read on here bushing and bearing lifters are a toss up on here so not really worried about that
…..A bearing lifter will outlast a bushing lifter when the abuse gets really high, ie…valve float, two steps setups, nitrous, etc. I have no problems with bearings on the street.
4) and no special lifters are needed for a LLSR correct? any solid lifter will work correct?
……Correct. Again, go with a forced axle oiling lifter for a solid roller. Your valvesprings will be much more abusive to the rollers, due to increased spring loads needed in a solid roller setup. Lobe ramps are more abusive, so more spring is needed, even with the latest technology cam lobe families.
here are my thoughts, it would appear that i could get comps to my door in roughly 2-3 weeks....any opinions on comp?
next thought would be a crower or an isky. not many people run crower on the street level stuff. i figured isky and crower would be direct from manufacturer so could probably get a decently accurate ship date from these guys. any input appreciated
so i have a few questions and concerns. Budget is kinda the least of my worries at this point
1) really no reason to not do axle oiling correct?
……I wouldn’t consider not going with axle oiling, with a solid roller.
2) im goona need more than one suggestion since i need to call around and see ship times. i at least want a set within a few weeks for my car that is currently up and running.
…..For a solid lifter, I like Isky and Comp. I’m running Isky in the Chevelles 434 and they are nice.
3) from what ive read on here bushing and bearing lifters are a toss up on here so not really worried about that
…..A bearing lifter will outlast a bushing lifter when the abuse gets really high, ie…valve float, two steps setups, nitrous, etc. I have no problems with bearings on the street.
4) and no special lifters are needed for a LLSR correct? any solid lifter will work correct?
……Correct. Again, go with a forced axle oiling lifter for a solid roller. Your valvesprings will be much more abusive to the rollers, due to increased spring loads needed in a solid roller setup. Lobe ramps are more abusive, so more spring is needed, even with the latest technology cam lobe families.
here are my thoughts, it would appear that i could get comps to my door in roughly 2-3 weeks....any opinions on comp?
next thought would be a crower or an isky. not many people run crower on the street level stuff. i figured isky and crower would be direct from manufacturer so could probably get a decently accurate ship date from these guys. any input appreciated
Bushings are great for sure, but the harder needles are more durable in the long run in extremely abusive environments. Bushings are softer.
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not sure why my guy said run bam, only thing he said in regards to isky was they sometimes measure different than .842
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chevelle on question number 3, what im hearing is "if" conditions get to severe not "when". so in theory, if i have no 2 step, nitrous, or valve float then the bushing is better? obviously float can randomly occur but.....
The steel needles carry more inertia, which greatly affect rocker arm fulcrums, but we are talking roller lifters here, and inertia isn’t a concern. The idea of bushings in a rocker setup…both in the fulcrum, and out on the nose roller…make bushings in that application an easier choice, especially in max-effort builds, where rebuilds are more common.
Darth went with the same Isky Red Zone lifter that I run in my 434, except he went bushing and I went needle, just for some more info here. So far so good with both builds. I have heard that Isky lifter bodies can vary in sizing, but I haven’t experienced this any more than other variances in other lifters I’ve ran. LS7 lifter sizing is terrible, but no one complains about them. It boils down to the builder measuring (blueprinting) absolutely every part that gets installed. Sometimes we have to polish lifter bodies and wrist pins in areas, to make them concentric. Not unusual at all.
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thanks chevelle. i will most likely not choose isky over the bam. my builder really seems to think highly of the bam lifters and obviously im paying him to build it as well as his advice which i trust lol. And he knows my budget lol so that also helps pick a good lifter when the budget is there for it.
i posted this because i really thought he would respond with 2 or 3 names of lifters that he likes and any of them would be fine. Then i would just use the ls1tech wisdom to pick from those 3. Didnt know he would say "get these specific ones". From what im seeing BAM is fairly new, but on yellow bullet they are highly spoken of. other than the typical, used them for X years or X amount of builds and have nothing but good things to say, a few have said they measure out as close to perfect as you can get, which is also what my guy said as well. like you said thats not super important as that stuff is checked at assembly anyway and pretty easily fixed. IT was also mentioned they only deal with engine builders not parts slingers, which is why their name doesnt pop up all over the place like other companies.
so just confirming what you said, bushings will wear/deteriorate much faster thana bearing. but this is much more acceptable in a rocker arm because they are much easier to service compared to lifters in a non windowed ls block. therefore, the bearing in your opinion is better suited in a lifter than a bushing is? if so i like the bearing option. only problem is im not sure if BAM offers a bearing option
i posted this because i really thought he would respond with 2 or 3 names of lifters that he likes and any of them would be fine. Then i would just use the ls1tech wisdom to pick from those 3. Didnt know he would say "get these specific ones". From what im seeing BAM is fairly new, but on yellow bullet they are highly spoken of. other than the typical, used them for X years or X amount of builds and have nothing but good things to say, a few have said they measure out as close to perfect as you can get, which is also what my guy said as well. like you said thats not super important as that stuff is checked at assembly anyway and pretty easily fixed. IT was also mentioned they only deal with engine builders not parts slingers, which is why their name doesnt pop up all over the place like other companies.
so just confirming what you said, bushings will wear/deteriorate much faster thana bearing. but this is much more acceptable in a rocker arm because they are much easier to service compared to lifters in a non windowed ls block. therefore, the bearing in your opinion is better suited in a lifter than a bushing is? if so i like the bearing option. only problem is im not sure if BAM offers a bearing option
thanks chevelle. i will most likely not choose isky over the bam. my builder really seems to think highly of the bam lifters and obviously im paying him to build it as well as his advice which i trust lol. And he knows my budget lol so that also helps pick a good lifter when the budget is there for it.
i posted this because i really thought he would respond with 2 or 3 names of lifters that he likes and any of them would be fine. Then i would just use the ls1tech wisdom to pick from those 3. Didnt know he would say "get these specific ones". From what im seeing BAM is fairly new, but on yellow bullet they are highly spoken of. other than the typical, used them for X years or X amount of builds and have nothing but good things to say, a few have said they measure out as close to perfect as you can get, which is also what my guy said as well. like you said thats not super important as that stuff is checked at assembly anyway and pretty easily fixed. IT was also mentioned they only deal with engine builders not parts slingers, which is why their name doesnt pop up all over the place like other companies.
so just confirming what you said, bushings will wear/deteriorate much faster thana bearing. but this is much more acceptable in a rocker arm because they are much easier to service compared to lifters in a non windowed ls block. therefore, the bearing in your opinion is better suited in a lifter than a bushing is? if so i like the bearing option. only problem is im not sure if BAM offers a bearing option
i posted this because i really thought he would respond with 2 or 3 names of lifters that he likes and any of them would be fine. Then i would just use the ls1tech wisdom to pick from those 3. Didnt know he would say "get these specific ones". From what im seeing BAM is fairly new, but on yellow bullet they are highly spoken of. other than the typical, used them for X years or X amount of builds and have nothing but good things to say, a few have said they measure out as close to perfect as you can get, which is also what my guy said as well. like you said thats not super important as that stuff is checked at assembly anyway and pretty easily fixed. IT was also mentioned they only deal with engine builders not parts slingers, which is why their name doesnt pop up all over the place like other companies.
so just confirming what you said, bushings will wear/deteriorate much faster thana bearing. but this is much more acceptable in a rocker arm because they are much easier to service compared to lifters in a non windowed ls block. therefore, the bearing in your opinion is better suited in a lifter than a bushing is? if so i like the bearing option. only problem is im not sure if BAM offers a bearing option
The BAM lifters are popular and have been used with great results. I wouldn’t hesitate to run a set with an intended application for the particular lifter. If your builder is specing the BAM lifters, go with what he says. Trust him, not the internet for your build.
Different types of bushing materials are available in lifters also…I should have said that earlier. You can actually get a “steel on steel” bushing that’s coated obviously, designed for racing apps. These have been tried on the street with good results, but I have no idea of actual mileage. There’s the “bronze” bushed style, that’s a bronze alloy material, so it’s not as soft as actual bronze, but still softer than a hardened tool steel needle bearing lifter. I’m not trying to say that the softer bushings are going to wear “much faster” than the steel needles, but they will have different wear characteristics than a hardened tool steel needle lifter. Just something to consider here. Different life-spans for each type.
The BAM lifters are popular and have been used with great results. I wouldn’t hesitate to run a set with an intended application for the particular lifter. If your builder is specing the BAM lifters, go with what he says. Trust him, not the internet for your build.
The BAM lifters are popular and have been used with great results. I wouldn’t hesitate to run a set with an intended application for the particular lifter. If your builder is specing the BAM lifters, go with what he says. Trust him, not the internet for your build.
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Different types of bushing materials are available in lifters also…I should have said that earlier. You can actually get a “steel on steel” bushing that’s coated obviously, designed for racing apps. These have been tried on the street with good results, but I have no idea of actual mileage. There’s the “bronze” bushed style, that’s a bronze alloy material, so it’s not as soft as actual bronze, but still softer than a hardened tool steel needle bearing lifter. I’m not trying to say that the softer bushings are going to wear “much faster” than the steel needles, but they will have different wear characteristics than a hardened tool steel needle lifter. Just something to consider here. Different life-spans for each type.
The BAM lifters are popular and have been used with great results. I wouldn’t hesitate to run a set with an intended application for the particular lifter. If your builder is specing the BAM lifters, go with what he says. Trust him, not the internet for your build.
The BAM lifters are popular and have been used with great results. I wouldn’t hesitate to run a set with an intended application for the particular lifter. If your builder is specing the BAM lifters, go with what he says. Trust him, not the internet for your build.
Id consult BAM engineers and ask questions. General rule of thumb is IF they are selling the lifter to the general public on websites, then it’s more than likely a bronze alloy bushing that has the dlc coating. The steel on steel coated lifters are generally reserved for racing purposes only, so you’ll likely not see them available to just anybody. Reason being, is Joe Blow purchases them not having a clue about what he’s doing or buying and ultimately ends up with a severely mis-matched setup that fails…BAM gets the heat and bad reputation that follows. So lifter companies usually keep the race stuff off of websites that just anyone can grab and go. You generally have to call and order that type of stuff from companies that offer race only parts. Now…I have heard that the steel on steel lifters have been used on the street as well. I followed a conversation recently over on Don Terrill Speed Talk, that involved a lifter company officer speaking on the issues of these steel on steel lifters being used on the street with what he said were good results. I have zero personal experience of them on the street myself. So…me calling these a “race only” part could be misleading if they are being used on the street with good results. I don’t see it myself, but technology is changing quickly everywhere we look these days.
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Id consult BAM engineers and ask questions. General rule of thumb is IF they are selling the lifter to the general public on websites, then it’s more than likely a bronze alloy bushing that has the dlc coating. The steel on steel coated lifters are generally reserved for racing purposes only, so you’ll likely not see them available to just anybody. Reason being, is Joe Blow purchases them not having a clue about what he’s doing or buying and ultimately ends up with a severely mis-matched setup that fails…BAM gets the heat and bad reputation that follows. So lifter companies usually keep the race stuff off of websites that just anyone can grab and go. You generally have to call and order that type of stuff from companies that offer race only parts. Now…I have heard that the steel on steel lifters have been used on the street as well. I followed a conversation recently over on Don Terrill Speed Talk, that involved a lifter company officer speaking on the issues of these steel on steel lifters being used on the street with what he said were good results. I have zero personal experience of them on the street myself. So…me calling these a “race only” part could be misleading if they are being used on the street with good results. I don’t see it myself, but technology is changing quickly everywhere we look these days.