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Old 01-24-2023, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Sebambam
this is not a gen5 swap! This is taking advantage if the great flowing gen5 heads, the heads are actually great and as a take off cheap. The gen 5 issues are clear but almost never in the heads.
I realize that it’s not a gen5 swap…only giving you an example of folks being letdown. The Gen5 heads do not flow as good as a well set up LS head. The exhaust kills them, and it can’t be fixed. GM turned the exhaust when they reversed the valves. The exhaust port has a wonky turn to it and it just doesn’t work good on a N/A build. Do some research. Headers are expensive also for LT heads. I see your only trying to use what you have here, but there’s a lot of really great flowing LS stuff out there for cheap, that would save you money in the long run. I’ve personally never seen an engine built with adaptors all over it perform very well.
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Idk......personally seen plenty, also plenty on the normal fb or social media pages. The lt and di require the right people tuning them 110% but absolutely hands down put up extremely impressive off the shelf h/c intakes whether it's a high ram or just ported lt2. This test is straight from btr. I'm nit saying any one is absolutely right or wrong. If guys expect to just slap lt heads on, don't have a semi educated plan of the rest of tge combo in general some may just be complete turds and take few steps backwards. But I'd be willing to bet , alot..... once some variations of head porting, playing with intakes extc, some experimenting the lt head gen3/4 short block will be another great inexpensive option to just keep adding to the ls leggo set


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Originally Posted by k8busa
Idk......personally seen plenty, also plenty on the normal fb or social media pages. The lt and di require the right people tuning them 110% but absolutely hands down put up extremely impressive off the shelf h/c intakes whether it's a high ram or just ported lt2. This test is straight from btr
great stuff, that's why I brought up this topic. I'm just baffled that this knowledge isn't much arround in this Forum.
I consider myself a idiot, that why I ask here....

The tuning side sounds like it's more complicated? I am usually using a terminator X setup, is there anything to look out for?
the custom cam is taking care of the swapped ex/in valve pattern, the firing order is the same... so i think there shouldnt be problems...
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Following, i just seen where BTR made a specific 230 Cam for a LS3 with stock LT1 heads & trinity intake and made 625hp and 502TQ
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Originally Posted by madmike9396
Following, i just seen where BTR made a specific 230 Cam for a LS3 with stock LT1 heads & trinity intake and made 625hp and 502TQ
jup.
I posted a video and a diy installation of the heads.
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Whichever way you go, post up results. Good luck.
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Originally Posted by k8busa
L83 heads for smaller ls1 bore, basically sane as ls3 heads. I'm going to drum up a bastard child ls1 lt head setup. The lt heads are great heads especially for na builds
Thanks Bud , i ll see what i do ... i am collecting more infos..
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I think it's going to be another good option for ls builds, it's just gonna take some testing. Figuring out if you use X intake adapters to run Y intake it just kills power or vice versa. But shops like Gpi pump out many extremely strong h/c na builds, the Lt head is a very potent setup.
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Are these heads better than ANY LS heads? If not, what's the point?
I haven't seen this asked, so here I am
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Here is a really good option for intake. Solves the lt intakes having no port injection problem. Easy bolt on and lt2 intake is a very good performing piece. https://gwatneyperformance.com/produ...nifold-650-hp/


Intake, rails, injectors all ready to take care of intake side with ease. Pretty cost effective as well.
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Btr needs to do a deep dive into all the specifics of the test. Compression being a big part of it.
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
Are these heads better than ANY LS heads? If not, what's the point?
I haven't seen this asked, so here I am
yup that's the main question.
If so, then it makes sense I have different feedback. CAM MOTION basically said if you not looking for power above 5500rpm do not bother uts a waste of money.
that's the feedback after I asked for a custom cam.
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Originally Posted by Sebambam
yup that's the main question.
If so, then it makes sense I have different feedback. CAM MOTION basically said if you not looking for power above 5500rpm do not bother uts a waste of money.
that's the feedback after I asked for a custom cam.
I would heed that advice. Cam Motion knows their ****...
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So I spend 45 min today
relocating the dowel pins to the LS location.
Just enlargen this holes with a drill.



Then also find out that the LS headbolts will work.
Use the Long ones. 3x in the head. And on all of the exhaust side.
2x mid lenght on the 2 outer L+R, Inside the head.

The also drill out 2 partially drilled bosses on the L+R corners of the "INTAKE" side of the head to accomodate 2x short bolts , each head.



As headgaskets you use LS3 or LS9gaskets.

So it's very easy to make them fit.


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Btw since I am using a 58x crank.
I know I get a 4x cam gear
But do I need the chain tensioner as well?
Does this affect the timing cover cam sensor, if I don't have the plastic tensioner?
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Originally Posted by Sebambam
Btw since I am using a 58x crank.
I know I get a 4x cam gear
But do I need the chain tensioner as well?
Does this affect the timing cover cam sensor, if I don't have the plastic tensioner?
"Tensioner" is actually incorrect. It's is more of a guide. It adds no tension whatsoever. I prefer to run it in my LS7, because I think it reduces noise made by the chain freely whipping around. Do you need it. Probably not. The first 4 years or so of the LS1, the blocks had no guide. As I said, it may not be mandatory, but I think it's a better setup with one than without....
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Originally Posted by grinder11
"Tensioner" is actually incorrect. It's is more of a guide. It adds no tension whatsoever. I prefer to run it in my LS7, because I think it reduces noise made by the chain freely whipping around. Do you need it. Probably not. The first 4 years or so of the LS1, the blocks had no guide. As I said, it may not be mandatory, but I think it's a better setup with one than without....
the whole LS1 , gen3 and Gen3/4 crossovers don't have it.
It's a gen 4 block in order to use it I would have to drill and tap the block, which I want to avoid if not needed.

So it doesn't have any functionality with the gen 4 front cover cam sensor? If not I don't add it.
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Originally Posted by k8busa
Here is a really good option for intake. Solves the lt intakes having no port injection problem. Easy bolt on and lt2 intake is a very good performing piece. https://gwatneyperformance.com/produ...nifold-650-hp/


Intake, rails, injectors all ready to take care of intake side with ease. Pretty cost effective as well.
That looks like a good option. I'd avoid any sort of LS intake adapter as I haven't seen an instance where an adapter didn't hinder flow.
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Originally Posted by MuhThugga
That looks like a good option. I'd avoid any sort of LS intake adapter as I haven't seen an instance where an adapter didn't hinder flow.
yea and those come with injectors
if you do the math:
adapters 220$
used LS3/7 intake 200 without rails 350min with rails
Injectors min 300$

so that option is actually great ...
only thing you need is a 92/102mm TB ( 120 -160$)
And its all brand new
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