Dude, you are a complete loser making comments like that, especially when you're pretty clueless when it comes to oil. You're wrong about Royal Purple, it's street oils are not fully synthetic, but their racing oils are. There are lots of other "true synthetics" out there too, such as Amsoil, Redline, Synergen, German Castrol Syntec 0w30, Belgium made Syntec 5w40, and many more but then again if you had a clue you would know this Robert.

Another thing you need to learn is that just because an oil isn't truly a full synthetic, doesn't make it bad. I used to put down a lot of oils because they were labelled synthetic but used a group 3 base oil, but this doesn't necessarily make them bad, as I've been seeing in oil analysis results. They simply can't go for as long drain intervals, but most people here don't go beyond 5k anyhow, and the group 3 base synthetics will do that. The big beef I do have with them is that they are priced just as high as the true synthetics, so it makes them a bit of a ripoff in that regard.

 

The only place to get it is directly from them at www.auto-rx.com, nobody else sells it.

 

Cannonball:
LOL.

I hate relying on people that use scientific, reproducible data to make claims , like Patman does.

Mobile 1 is not the ONLY true synthetic, either.

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If you call knowledge gained from reading oil bottle labels valuable - "sceintific, reproductible (????) data" - that can be relied upon by all, then I have a bridge I would like to sell you....

Frankly, people that use words like "interval" to describe the length of time between oil changes and who constantly cite others who have more than 20 years of expeirence in the oil analysis business - don't impress me.

I read oil bottle lables too..... that does not make me an expert....


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I do more than read labels loser! I pay close attention to oil analysis reports, and I'm in constant contact with experts in the oil industry who provide me with insider type info on the world of motor oil. And if the opinion of an oil analysis expert like Terry Dyson means nothing to you, there is no helping you. Terry does have more than 20 years experience (close to 25 actually) in interpreting oil analysis reports, and he's a very good friend of mine. He has forgotten more about oil than you'll EVER KNOW pal! I couldn't care less if I impress you or not, you're a stupid piece of ****.

 

Wow... first time I've ever heard that.

Patman knows his **** when it comes to oil, I wouldn't question him...

 

Patman:
Your up so early this AM.... I'm in the UK for the past few weeks, and we are 5 hours ahead of EST....

If you don't agree with my view than say so; using profanity does not help bring home your points.

OK, so I'm constantly in contact with experts who express their views here on the Board.... So what - it does not make me an expert mechanic - even though I was a paid professional transmission rebuilder for a few years in the late 70's. I also have $10K in tools at home and have done a H/C conversions, have owned many small and big block chevys, fords, chyslers, etc. that I have worked on extensively for 30 years.

In my view, your a person who has an interest in motor oil - perhaps you could say it is your hobbie. Since you do not make your living doing this, I have concluded that you are not an expert. Thats all. In fact, you have never owned an LS1-powered car for that matter....

PS - Chill out - you are acting like I'm attacking your creditiblity at the expense of your livelihood! Since you don't earn your living doing oil analysis - relax....

All I said was, "I would not rely too much on what you have to say." After all, taking advice from someone who receives free cases of synthetic motor oil from various manufacturors in exchange for not slamming their product on the Internet should be done with a grain of salt. This sounds like extortion to me - but I'm not a lawyer either???

How about full and fair disclosure on your part?

 

No, but you are an *******.

Patman is trying his best to help people on the board. I've taken quite a few of his suggestions from CZ28.com and I've never been unhappy. I'll continue to trust him on oil issues and will continue to back his opinions up. He's been a great value to this board since its inception, which you have not. Of course, you do have a right to your opinion. But if you're stating that Patman doesn't know his **** about oil, you're flat out wrong.

Without all of us "amateurs" giving advice, there would be no board. I'm willing ot bet that 80% of the LS1tech staff isn't paid for what we do. It's a hobby for almost all of us. Hell, I've got to work my *** off and save every penny to afford my car, does that make my advice worth less than a professionals? Maybe. But does that take away my ability to give good advice? Absolutely not. So what's the point you're trying to make? That us who own and work on our cars as a hobby don't give good advice? If that's your point, it's total bullshit.

That's all I have to say, I'll let Patman handle it from here...

 

I find this so amusing having read all the posts about oil that Patman has made. It wasn't that long ago that Robert was asking for Patman's advice. If you don't think so, go back and read them like I did. Hahahaha. Now Robert thinks he knows more than Patman. Another hahahaha. Hey, I invited everyone to chime in when I started this post and I'm glad I did. Robert adds such a jealous humor to the whole thing. I'm glad you think you've learned enough to mock those you have learned from, Robert.

 

What are you talking about? Patman owned a 98 LS1 formula.

He has submitted tons of oil samples for testing and has tested numerous brands in conjunction with talking to experts in the field.

You have to take your head out of your ****

 

I almost forgot, sorry "interval" is such a challenging word for you. Hahahahahaha!

 

Next thing you know, he'll tell us he stayed at a Holiday Inn. Hehehehehe

 

I don't think anyone here can dispute that Patman#1 has given conflicting views during his tenure on the Board.

For example, he once said Royal Purple is over-priced garbage that could damage your engine and should be avoided at all costs. Now he claims this same product is better than nearly everything on the market...

Given that he has received free cases of oil from some of the manufacturors that he has slammed on the Internet in the past, I would merely warn others that the advice he gives is not necessarily objective and that he is not the motor oil expert that some here claim.

Is he professionally trained in the petrochemical feild; does he have a degree in engineering; does he have any redeeming professional qualities other than what he has learned from reading oil bottle labels, changing his own motor oil and talking to those with almost 25 years (??) of expereince in the oil analysis business? Does he earn a living selling petroleum products? My guess is NO to all these.

I have NOTHING personel against Patman#1. He is actually an interesting character with a relevant interest. Yes, I have asked and received is view on many oil issues over the years. Most are well thought out responses that warrant consideration. I take each view with a grain of salt, however.

All I'm pointing out is that he is not a motor oil expert and you should be aware that his advice may not be objective.

I am sorry if I offended anyone here including Patman#1. Hopefully he is human and will ackowledge my view and stop using 4 letter words.

 

So maybe we should take Robert's advice instead. (He did stay at a Holiday Inn after all) I have read the Royal Purple posts. You twist them far better than you cite them. Patman always said their street oils were inferior to their racing oil. In fact, you have been reminded of this fact several times. But you choose to ignore it. One of his redeeming qualities is that he tries to help those that ask questions, unlike those (Robert) who hide and snipe at those who try to help.
You have offended me, Robert. I specifically asked for Patman's opinion. You set out to sabotage his response. If there were more people like you around, those who knew something about a subject would be far less likely to post their opinions. So I would kindly request that you butt out of my thread.
You only try to make your mark by taking a shot at someone else's. Shame to you.

 

So Robert, what do you recommend, or whom do you recommend speaking to when it comes to oil?

As far as I know before folks like Patman, and bobistheoilguy.com, most oil recommendations were pretty much apocryphal, and had no scientific data.

In Patman's defense most everything I have seen from him has been based on the actual oil analysis by a lab which specializes in oil analysis.

If you don't agree with the interpretation of the oil analysis that he is making then can you cite what you disagree with?


On a side note Robert, I understand what you are trying to do by flushing your motor, but I never mix synthetic and conventional oils. I have seen several motors have very bad reations to mixing oils together (oil turn to Jell-O). I simply drain my oil regularly. I make sure it is hot when I drain it to get the most out I can, and a use about half a quart of oil (the type I am filling the car with) and pour it through after the oil has drained to flush as much as I can. I use the rest of the oil to pre-fill the oil filter.

 

Exactly, scientific and reproducible data.

 

I find it best from my experience that if you're gonna talk ****, at least have a clue.

Patman never owned an ls1, LOL. Robert, what is the view from the inside of your own large intestine like, I've always wanted to ask someone with their head as far up their *** as yours is.

I think what you keep trying to use as your justification for your attack on Patman is stupid, which is that he is not an "expert." Buddy, this is an internet forum, none of us are here to be paid. we are here because we love these cars and want to help the close to 25,000 members we have here. The word "expert" on an internet forum is a relative term IMO, and as far as this board is concerned, Patman is our resident oil "expert".

Please. Take some fiber and loosen up your bowel, it might just allow you to **** your cranium back on out.

 

I'm staying at the Heathrow Hilton in the United Kingdom at the moment... It is very boring living and driving in the UK for the last several weeks.....their BIG cars are tiny by our comparison and none have V-8 motors. In addition, the petrol (gas) prices are killing my client who reimnburses me for all direct costs..... about $8 per gallon USD!!!!!

Now - back to the issue at hand - using commericially available motor oil flushes. My advice, change your oil frequently enough to avoid sludge build up. Most every motor oil sold today contains additives that help avoid sludge.

If your stuck with a motor that has build-up, consider using the chemical stuff but be careful to get all the chemical stuff out before you add a new batch of oil and drive your way to the next change ("interval" in Patman#1 talk). One way to do this is to:

1. add the sludge cleaner to the old oil and run the car until you reach operating temperature
2. drain the old oil and pull the filter
3. replace the fiter and fill the crankcase with chepo oil from Marth's place
4. Run the motor till it gets warm again
5. pull the filter and drain the chepo oil out
6. replace the filter again and fill with the good oil.

When in doubt, read and follow the lable directions.

I did this on an old bomb once and it worked fine.... If the motor is too worn out, however, cleaning the sludge out may cause other problems to get worse.

MY FULL AND FAIR DISCLOSURE:
I do not extort money or oil from any companies that manufactor, sell or distribute petroluem or related products for the motoring public. I do not have friends who prepare oil analysis for money. I'm a CPA and not a expert on motor oils so proceed with caution when using my advice.

My client for the next year is Britsh Petroluem. Amung other companies, BP recently purchased Castrol. Castrol manufactures motor oils - some of which are labled synthetic. I cannot vouch for their labeling, however. If you are in doubt, ask Patman#1 if your buying a true synthetic.

Have a nice day!

 

Thanks for the link never heard of this.

 

LOL! Thanks for the amusing thread Patman and Robert.

I think we should rename Patman "Albert Oilstein."

Robert, you got so freakin' in this thread that at one point I was actually feeling sorry for you.

 

Bahahahahahahahhahahahaha, I told you he'd be telling us which hotel he stayed at next. Hahahahahahahahahaha!!! But I was only kidding. Hahahahaha! That's rich, Robert! I can't believe you did that! Hahahahaha!