MTI sent us the wrong cam??? Please MTI respond!!
While it does kinda suck to get the wrong specs from what you originally ordered, some of you are making this out to be a bigger deal than it actually is. That "incorrect" cam with the 4 deg advance would still be a kick *** camshaft as it is. Hell, I'd install one of those in a car no problem and enjoy it.
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Originally Posted by Nine Ball
While it does kinda suck to get the wrong specs from what you originally ordered, some of you are making this out to be a bigger deal than it actually is. That "incorrect" cam with the 4 deg advance would still be a kick *** camshaft as it is. Hell, I'd install one of those in a car no problem and enjoy it.
I think when you read the following you will not feel the same about the comment you made. My solution to the 4* advance was an adjustable T-Chain and to retard the cam by as many degrees to make it straight up, which would have been the same, untill Cobra posted this:
Originally Posted by X_03_Cobra_guy
I have an old Stealth I that always lopped hard and had a very high power band. Turns out after degreeing every cylinder ... that some lobes were ground wrong and the cam was running 4 degrees retarded (which moves the power up). The card I got with the Stealth I cam said the cam was ground 4 degrees advanced? Cylinder 1 was but not the others...been going crazy trying to find out why it can't be tuned to idle better. Turns out it was the cam all along. David Coates sent me a new cam last week, a Stealth II cam. This time the cam card said 224in/221ex duration on a 116 LSA with .576 in lift and .581 ex lift. But when I degreed it. The cam cam out to be 3.5 degrees advanced with 220 intake duration and 220 exhaust duration on all except cylinder
#8 which had 223 intake duration. The valve lifts were also off on some of the intake valves .576 vs .571. Kind of weird. So I called and talked with wayne and he confirmed they had a batch of bad grinds...and I was unlucky enought to get a 2nd one.
I have an old Stealth I that always lopped hard and had a very high power band. Turns out after degreeing every cylinder ... that some lobes were ground wrong and the cam was running 4 degrees retarded (which moves the power up). The card I got with the Stealth I cam said the cam was ground 4 degrees advanced? Cylinder 1 was but not the others...been going crazy trying to find out why it can't be tuned to idle better. Turns out it was the cam all along. David Coates sent me a new cam last week, a Stealth II cam. This time the cam card said 224in/221ex duration on a 116 LSA with .576 in lift and .581 ex lift. But when I degreed it. The cam cam out to be 3.5 degrees advanced with 220 intake duration and 220 exhaust duration on all except cylinder
#8 which had 223 intake duration. The valve lifts were also off on some of the intake valves .576 vs .571. Kind of weird. So I called and talked with wayne and he confirmed they had a batch of bad grinds...and I was unlucky enought to get a 2nd one.
MTI has and is always stand up, and it is with the help of this forum and the owners of that faulty grind that we were able to sort this out, and of course with David's (MTI) quick investigation and straight judging that we will enjoy a true Stealth II grind.
Glad to hear MTI set everything straight with everyone. I for one feel much better doing business with them seeing how great their customer service is.
Nine Ball, your probably right about it still being a good cam, but thats not the point at all here. You would be miffed as well if you received a cam that you didn't order I would think, especially one that you need to pass the sniffer, or one that has "Stealth" in the title but lopes, kinda takes away from your goals of buying a particular cam..
Dan
Nine Ball, your probably right about it still being a good cam, but thats not the point at all here. You would be miffed as well if you received a cam that you didn't order I would think, especially one that you need to pass the sniffer, or one that has "Stealth" in the title but lopes, kinda takes away from your goals of buying a particular cam..
Dan
Predator, I only meant that if there was a cam with those actual specs shown on that cam card that was posted, it would be a pretty good cam as-is. Now, if they are ground incorrectly compared to the card then I'd definitely not want it.
BTW guys, even a stock cam lopes with a loud exhaust and a lower idle. You can hide some pretty large cams audible-wise if you use a quiet exhaust system and bump the idle up a little. The exhaust system has more to do with lope sound than anything on a cammed car.
BTW guys, even a stock cam lopes with a loud exhaust and a lower idle. You can hide some pretty large cams audible-wise if you use a quiet exhaust system and bump the idle up a little. The exhaust system has more to do with lope sound than anything on a cammed car.
Why is it everytime MTI has something to do with it everyone is on them. Its funny, when you race a guy with a MTI motor you have beaten MTI! Not the owner!! MTI only builds what a person wants. Thats it!! I know Jayson and David and they are great people! They are at the mercy of the people they get there parts from also, and thats life. It`s not a perfect world, never will be. When you mod a car things might break, etc. But MTI`s service and quality of builds are the best in the market!! As for the installer that talk to MTI, if you had conserns about the degree I would have talk to Jayson or David if you felt there was a question. Granted anyone could have answered the phone and thought they where right!! I`m a loyal customer of MTI, they have always taking care of me and the friends I have that has went to them. You pay for what you get! I will get off my soap box now!!
It would have been my last resort to come on LS1tech and pushed this issue with any builder. I really have no doubts that all of them( sponsors) would have taken care of you!
It would have been my last resort to come on LS1tech and pushed this issue with any builder. I really have no doubts that all of them( sponsors) would have taken care of you!
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It would have been my last resort to come on LS1tech and pushed this issue with any builder. I really have no doubts that all of them( sponsors) would have taken care of you!
On the contrary, MTI showed to all that they take care of their customers and will do right where right is due.
Believe me this hasn't been a picnic for me, I live half way accross the world from Houston. Was I dissapointed and pissed, Yes!! Am I aware that LUNATI messed it up, yes! Do I blame MTI, no, because they are working hard to make it right, even for me a world away.
This forum is a tool, for the vendors as well as consumers (informative, tech, marketing, promotional, etc...) That is why we love it.
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Originally Posted by beardWS6
Why is it everytime MTI has something to do with it everyone is on them. Its funny, when you race a guy with a MTI motor you have beaten MTI! Not the owner!! MTI only builds what a person wants. Thats it!! I know Jayson and David and they are great people! They are at the mercy of the people they get there parts from also, and thats life. It`s not a perfect world, never will be. When you mod a car things might break, etc. But MTI`s service and quality of builds are the best in the market!! As for the installer that talk to MTI, if you had conserns about the degree I would have talk to Jayson or David if you felt there was a question. Granted anyone could have answered the phone and thought they where right!! I`m a loyal customer of MTI, they have always taking care of me and the friends I have that has went to them. You pay for what you get! I will get off my soap box now!!
It would have been my last resort to come on LS1tech and pushed this issue with any builder. I really have no doubts that all of them( sponsors) would have taken care of you!
It would have been my last resort to come on LS1tech and pushed this issue with any builder. I really have no doubts that all of them( sponsors) would have taken care of you!
Anthony
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Car running again I got the new Stealth II cam in the car now. What a difference.
The car runs much smooter. No more crazy shaking at idle.
The awful rich smell is gone too and it doesn't die out anymore.
The old stealth I cam was definintlely the culprit the whole time.
Thanks to Dave at MTI I now have a correct cam. I am heading
to Houston on the 20th for a new stonger A4 trans install. And
Wayne said he'd give me a free retune with the new cam. I am
stoked.
The car runs much smooter. No more crazy shaking at idle.
The awful rich smell is gone too and it doesn't die out anymore.
The old stealth I cam was definintlely the culprit the whole time.
Thanks to Dave at MTI I now have a correct cam. I am heading
to Houston on the 20th for a new stonger A4 trans install. And
Wayne said he'd give me a free retune with the new cam. I am
stoked.
I don't feel like anyone was bashing us on this thread at all. In fact, I'm glad that this was brought to my attention so that we could have the opportunity to a) rectify a situation we had with one of our suppliers that we weren't even aware of and b) get the correct products into our valued customers hands.
At the end of the day, what matters is that our customers are happy and enjoying their cars. If we can have that result at the end of the day, then nothing else really matters.
At the end of the day, what matters is that our customers are happy and enjoying their cars. If we can have that result at the end of the day, then nothing else really matters.
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Originally Posted by beardWS6
Not so much as bashing! I`m just saying working with them on the phone would have done just fine and got the same results!
Yes they would have been as great in the Cust. Serv. area, but we wouldn't have found out that the cams were out of specs!! We only confirmed that by communicating amongst each other on this forum with someone that degreed every lobe on every cylinder. .
Thats not what the thread started with, quote (MTI sent the wrong cam???MTI respond!!) what does that sound like? If everyone thought something was wrong with there cams they could have contacted the makers is all I`m saying. Granted he might have ment no harm with the post but the heading seems otherwise!It just sounded like MTI wasn`t responding, ! I understand the cam issues. I agree you want what you ask for! I do read between the lines! You just could have worded it differant is all I`m saying. But like always MTI made it good for everyone!Good Job!!
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Originally Posted by beardWS6
Thats not what the thread started with, quote (MTI sent the wrong cam???MTI respond!!) what does that sound like? If everyone thought something was wrong with there cams they could have contacted the makers is all I`m saying. Granted he might have ment no harm with the post but the heading seems otherwise!It just sounded like MTI wasn`t responding, ! I understand the cam issues. I agree you want what you ask for! I do read between the lines! You just could have worded it differant is all I`m saying. But like always MTI made it good for everyone!Good Job!!
I didn`t say that, I would have been more careful how I put it. Thats all I`m saying. If you have been on this board for awhile, there are people out there that bash MTI. I`m just standing up for people I`m friends with. I understand you where upset, maybe I would have done the same thing. Sorry about everything. I am man enought to say it!Good luck with your cam!
All racers need to stick together, especialley LS1`s!!
All racers need to stick together, especialley LS1`s!!
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All racers need to stick together, especially LS1`s!!
I see your point.
In any case MTI still rocks in my book, I've seen it through their dedication and commitment not to mention their contributions to the LS1 power community.
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
I see your point.
In any case MTI still rocks in my book, I've seen it through their dedication and commitment not to mention their contributions to the LS1 power community.
