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Old May 17, 2024 | 01:18 PM
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My new heads came with .625 beehives; my old ones have BRT .660 dual springs with minimal use.
Should I swap the beehives for the duals?
My cam is .617/.592
Thanks guys for your experience and knowledge.

PS the heads are 243's from a shop in California I am gonna have a local shop port them...

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Old May 17, 2024 | 01:56 PM
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Me, I'd run the beehives. Others will agree and disagree.
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Old May 17, 2024 | 02:38 PM
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What brand beehives are on there?
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Old May 17, 2024 | 02:50 PM
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Sounds like too close for comfort. Me, I'd rather have a little extra room for error. Just in case.
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Old May 17, 2024 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by MuhThugga
What brand beehives are on there?
PSI

Originally Posted by Kfxguy
Sounds like too close for comfort. Me, I'd rather have a little extra room for error. Just in case.
this my thinking too BUT I also am not a professional engine builder
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Old May 17, 2024 | 07:19 PM
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id run the beehives. the PSI is "THE CHOICE" for beehives
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Old May 18, 2024 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Sm0kie
PSI
Stick with the PSIs.

With only .592" of lift on the exhaust, I wouldn't be looking at a .660" spring. If you truly wanted a dual spring instead of a beehive, I would be looking at doing the BTR .630" spring on the intakes and finding a .600" spring with similar pressures for the exhaust.

But again, I would stick with the PSI beehives.
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Old May 18, 2024 | 07:51 AM
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Being .008 from max ...One over rev could be the end ?
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Originally Posted by Doug G
Being .008 from max ...One over rev could be the end ?
No, because the spring's max rating and its coil bind height are two different things. Typically, there is a .050" cushion between the rating and coil bind.
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Sounds counter intuitive but you’re better off being close to coil bind than far
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Originally Posted by MuhThugga
No, because the spring's max rating and its coil bind height are two different things. Typically, there is a .050" cushion between the rating and coil bind.
Spring pockets milled, springs shimmed, for installed height ? Then sure.
But to assume the spring set-up from one build, then just use on another build without checking...asking for trouble IMO
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Originally Posted by Doug G
Spring pockets milled, springs shimmed, for installed height ? Then sure.
But to assume the spring set-up from one build, then just use on another build without checking...asking for trouble IMO
I missed the part where I said to slam them in and walk away?
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Originally Posted by MuhThugga
I missed the part where I said to slam them in and walk away?
You didn't...but looking at OP's post about using heads "from some shop" set up with .625's... cautions need addressed. All I'm saying.
I would never just use a set of heads without checking everything...**** happens
Originally Posted by Sm0kie
My new heads came with .625 beehives; my old ones have BRT .660 dual springs with minimal use.
Should I swap the beehives for the duals?
My cam is .617/.592
Thanks guys for your experience and knowledge.

PS the heads are 243's from a shop in California I am gonna have a local shop port them...
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Old May 19, 2024 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Doug G
You didn't...but looking at OP's post about using heads "from some shop" set up with .625's... cautions need addressed. All I'm saying.
I would never just use a set of heads without checking everything...**** happens
Safety beats sorrow every time....
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Originally Posted by Doug G
You didn't...but looking at OP's post about using heads "from some shop" set up with .625's... cautions need addressed. All I'm saying.
I would never just use a set of heads without checking everything...**** happens
I agree that "trust but verify" is the best course of action. Since he is having the heads ported, he can use a micrometer and install the springs himself once the port work is done.
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I will have the porting shop verify everything . BTR sells the cam eith the .660 springs so it seemed to me that I may need that extra pressure , but based on what many people
are saying Looks like sticking with the .625’s is fine…
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Originally Posted by Sm0kie
I will have the porting shop verify everything . BTR sells the cam eith the .660 springs so it seemed to me that I may need that extra pressure , but based on what many people
are saying Looks like sticking with the .625’s is fine…
From everything I read, use the beehives. The less stress/pressure on the valvetrain, the better.
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Hi, ABS, set your brakes to MANUAL.
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Originally Posted by IGN-1A
Hi, ABS, set your brakes to MANUAL.
What does this have to do with valve springs?
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