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Old Jun 3, 2024 | 09:00 PM
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Angry LQ4 Water jacket crack. HELP.......

Just started putting together this LQ4 and we noticed there was this hairline crack between water passages.
Block was magnafulxed and the machine shop said it was fine.
Not sure what to do now. Dad wants to just put some sealant in that area and run it.
Motor ran fine before and had no signs of any leaks.
Anyone run an engine with a crack like this and have no issues? Just a 10.5:1 build with rec ports and a nice cam.

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Old Jun 3, 2024 | 09:25 PM
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I don’t see a crack, looks like leftover gasket material to me.

let others chime in
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Old Jun 3, 2024 | 11:19 PM
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If the Machine Shop Magnafluxed it properly and said it was fine then it's not a crack. It could be a low spot from corrosion or something.

If it didn't leak before then run it.

If you concerned about it sealing, then have the block decked.
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Old Jun 6, 2024 | 10:57 AM
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I can see a crack, that block has went through a winter with a lack of antifreeze. If it didn't leak before, but had stock, untouched head gaskets - it might leak when reassembled with new gaskets. I wouldn't run it, myself. Too much of a hassle if there is a problem.
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Old Jun 7, 2024 | 04:25 PM
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If you're talking about where it looks like the sleeve has detached from the casting, then yeah, that's pretty much toast. The 2 sides of it look like they're not even in the same plane anymore.

I don't think I'd run it. Although, if you can have the shop mag it again while you watch, and it's OK, then maybe. Otherwise, if it's bad, I'd expect them to cut you some slack on buying and/or prepping another block, for missing a defect like that and taking your money for all the other machine work.
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Old Jun 7, 2024 | 05:58 PM
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I’d make sure it’s a crack, and if it is.. how far does it really go? There is a 2 part spray can of penetrating dye most machine shops keep on hand for looking at cracks like this one.


At least you caught it while still on the stand. Sucks x2 when you’ve wasted several hours of labor only to find out
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Old Jun 7, 2024 | 06:24 PM
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No way I’m running that block. It’s cracked. I’m moving this over to Gen3 Internal for more conversation.
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Old Jun 7, 2024 | 06:32 PM
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1) I see the crack you're talking about.

2) I've got a serious question for all the smart guys out there: Why WOULDN'T this work? Have you ever seen an engine with "floating cylinders," or an "open deck?"

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MANY manufacturers have made it work over the years. Why won't it work now, on an LS engine? Has anyone ever TRIED running a block that was cracked in such a way?
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Might work if the block was decked flat. Obviously it's not now, and the part that's depressed, is where the fire ring needs to go but won't have full crush.

But it's also possible that it's cracked somewhere else too, like down at the bottom, to allow that much misalignment.

So yeah, a block that's designed from the ground up for the sleeves to float at the top, like if the webbing at the bottom was built strong enough to hold the sleeves in place sure; but a block that isn't, and is broken, ... maybe not so much.

My opinion anyway.
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Old Jun 7, 2024 | 07:47 PM
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Thermals. It’s designed as a unit that relies on the entire deck surface to keep the cylinders from (A) moving laterally when it reaches operating temp, and (B) from moving longitudinally when it reaches operating temp. The longitudinal movement at the crack will lift the headgasket enough to leak. The cylinder sleeve will be much hotter at the gasket than the block surface at the gasket, so that’s where the thermal disagreements will lift the headgasket.
The lateral movement won’t have the same effect on the headgasket as the longitudinal movement will, regarding coolant leakage. The longitudinal movement of the cylinder….it actually raising up above the deck surface…will cause the leak.
The above pictured block with floating cylinders is designed from step one to overcome longitudinal and lateral movement by adding enough material at the south end of the actual sleeve. It’s a very robust design with lots of meat to locate the cylinder properly. There’s simply enough material around the sleeve as well to control growth in both directions.
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Old Jun 9, 2024 | 07:24 AM
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Why mag a dirty block? It's obvious that there's residue in the area in question.
An LQ 4 block doesn't have sleeves unless it has been repaired before.
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