Andy's Auto Performance 388 (pictures)
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Andy's Auto Performance 388 (pictures) The motor is in the car and will be going to Irwindale this Thrusday for some test and tune runs. The 6.0 heads flowed 352 cfm @.600" intake and 240 cfm @.600" exhaust <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />
Enjoy....... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
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Re: Andy's Auto Performance 388 (pictures) Looks good. I'll have to come out Thursday and show you what an all bore can do. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Re: Andy's Auto Performance 388 (pictures) </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Linear Velocity:
<strong> The motor is in the car and will be going to Irwindale this Thrusday for some test and tune runs. The 6.0 heads flowed 352 cfm @.600" intake and 240 cfm @.600" exhaust <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />
Enjoy....... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
Tony's 388 </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Damn, You're running the Rev springs on a cam with 236+ duration and .610 lift on intake and exhaust? You sir are a brave man. <img border="0" alt="[bomb]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bomb.gif" />
<strong> The motor is in the car and will be going to Irwindale this Thrusday for some test and tune runs. The 6.0 heads flowed 352 cfm @.600" intake and 240 cfm @.600" exhaust <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />
Enjoy....... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
Tony's 388 </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Damn, You're running the Rev springs on a cam with 236+ duration and .610 lift on intake and exhaust? You sir are a brave man. <img border="0" alt="[bomb]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bomb.gif" />
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Re: Andy's Auto Performance 388 (pictures) Haha Terry, add 400lbs to your car and T-56 and I'll be glad to line up with you. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> The Rev 1116 dual springs are more sturdy than my old 987 dual springs, I haven't heard of any failures with these springs unlike the 987's.....
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Re: Andy's Auto Performance 388 (pictures) I didn't have any problems with the 987's per se. but my mechanic did say i was getting valve float on the top end because of them. I have heard of stories of 987's breaking, not so much with the rev 1116 duals.
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Re: Andy's Auto Performance 388 (pictures) Looks good...is that a dry sleeve setup? Also, wouldnt 4.125 bore by stock stroke (?) be a 387?
JPR is doing an all-bore 387 for me, so Im in a similar boat, with the engine ready for the dyno hopefully by this weekend.
JPR is doing an all-bore 387 for me, so Im in a similar boat, with the engine ready for the dyno hopefully by this weekend.
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Re: Andy's Auto Performance 388 (pictures) </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Linear Velocity:
<strong> I didn't have any problems with the 987's per se. but my mechanic did say i was getting valve float on the top end because of them. I have heard of stories of 987's breaking, not so much with the rev 1116 duals. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hmmmm.... I seem to have heard the opposite. There have been several people on this board that have broken the Rev springs. For awhile, I had heard of 3 or 4 of them breaking all from different people all in the same week. They were all running relatively small cams also.
I've never heard of a 987 breaking personally.
<strong> I didn't have any problems with the 987's per se. but my mechanic did say i was getting valve float on the top end because of them. I have heard of stories of 987's breaking, not so much with the rev 1116 duals. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hmmmm.... I seem to have heard the opposite. There have been several people on this board that have broken the Rev springs. For awhile, I had heard of 3 or 4 of them breaking all from different people all in the same week. They were all running relatively small cams also.
I've never heard of a 987 breaking personally.
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Re: Andy's Auto Performance 388 (pictures) Well I think we all can agree that there is no "miracle cure" valve springs for the LS1, I went with the spring that I think best suits my setup. EZss, I don't know that the exact mathematical formula to come up with the CI of an engine but I always thought that a 4.125 bore x 3.622 stroke was 388 cubic inches, I could be wrong though. Concerning the sleeve setup I know that it is an LS6 block with non-Darton sleeves. My buddy Micah has AAP 6.0 heads on a stock motor and his heads flowed very similiar to mine. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
<small>[ March 31, 2003, 11:53 AM: Message edited by: Linear Velocity ]</small>
<small>[ March 31, 2003, 11:53 AM: Message edited by: Linear Velocity ]</small>
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Re: Andy's Auto Performance 388 (pictures) </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Terry Burger:
<strong> I dunno my 446rwhp ran 10.8@127. What does Micah's 446rwhp run? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Blah blah blah <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> . My car runs a lot faster than your setup is running on a six speed, and Jason knows how to drive too. I have more mph and a lot more weight (still my daily driver) so get lost and stop trying to compare apples to oranges.
<strong> I dunno my 446rwhp ran 10.8@127. What does Micah's 446rwhp run? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Blah blah blah <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> . My car runs a lot faster than your setup is running on a six speed, and Jason knows how to drive too. I have more mph and a lot more weight (still my daily driver) so get lost and stop trying to compare apples to oranges.
Re: Andy's Auto Performance 388 (pictures) </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
Blah blah blah . My car runs a lot faster than your setup is running on a six speed, and Jason knows how to drive too. I have more mph and a lot more weight (still my daily driver) so get lost and stop trying to compare apples to oranges.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What is your average/best MPH? I averaged 124.5mph on my heads/cam setup with a best of 127 over 10 passes.
I was just making the point that huge head flow numbers don't mean the car will haul *** or make much power. It just means the the headporter knows a lot of flow bench tricks. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Blah blah blah . My car runs a lot faster than your setup is running on a six speed, and Jason knows how to drive too. I have more mph and a lot more weight (still my daily driver) so get lost and stop trying to compare apples to oranges.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">What is your average/best MPH? I averaged 124.5mph on my heads/cam setup with a best of 127 over 10 passes.
I was just making the point that huge head flow numbers don't mean the car will haul *** or make much power. It just means the the headporter knows a lot of flow bench tricks. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Re: Andy's Auto Performance 388 (pictures) </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Terry Burger:
<strong> I dunno my 446rwhp ran 10.8@127. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah it probably would have been 10.5's with AAP 6.0 heads, too bad <img border="0" alt="[bang head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" />
<strong> I dunno my 446rwhp ran 10.8@127. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah it probably would have been 10.5's with AAP 6.0 heads, too bad <img border="0" alt="[bang head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" />
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Re: Andy's Auto Performance 388 (pictures) *Sigh* What part of comparing like cars is so tough for you? Those same heads and cam are making 118mph traps (2mph slower than mine) on a six speed car that's 200lbs lighter than mine. Sounds like a "magical" set of heads to me. <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />
Re: Andy's Auto Performance 388 (pictures) Hey I can only speak for my car but it does take some work to get going that quick. Its not like you bolt on heads/cam and run 10s. You need gear, slicks, a good exhaust, good tuning, and some other tweaks to get there.
My point is big head flow numbers are not necessarily part of that equation. This is just my $.02 but I wouldn't use 6.0L heads on anything but a 9:1 blower/turbo car.
My point is big head flow numbers are not necessarily part of that equation. This is just my $.02 but I wouldn't use 6.0L heads on anything but a 9:1 blower/turbo car.
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I dunno Terry, Jason seems to really know what he's doing. Granted he needs a rear end and a tire (badly), but that's not going to give him 9mph.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">He needs a lot of work but he'll get there. The reason his MPH is way down is because of 3.42 gears. When I went from 3.23s->4.10s I picked up 3.5mph! Running on slicks will help his MPH even more. An underdrive pulley will add another MPH. In addition I think there is something wrong with his lifters, his engine ticks really loudly at idle. I think he has a clutch issue as well.
He'll be in the 122-3mph range as soon as he adds gear, slicks, and takes care of a few little things. As far as I know with his rollbar/street tires he is the same weight as you.
I dunno Terry, Jason seems to really know what he's doing. Granted he needs a rear end and a tire (badly), but that's not going to give him 9mph.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">He needs a lot of work but he'll get there. The reason his MPH is way down is because of 3.42 gears. When I went from 3.23s->4.10s I picked up 3.5mph! Running on slicks will help his MPH even more. An underdrive pulley will add another MPH. In addition I think there is something wrong with his lifters, his engine ticks really loudly at idle. I think he has a clutch issue as well.
He'll be in the 122-3mph range as soon as he adds gear, slicks, and takes care of a few little things. As far as I know with his rollbar/street tires he is the same weight as you.
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Re: Andy's Auto Performance 388 (pictures) </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Terry Burger:
<strong> Yeah and 10.30s if Mark was driving... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> Yep Terri, I have no clue on how to <img border="0" alt="[driving]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_driving3.gif" /> , and you would definetly have the weight advantage on me, what are you at a sickly 150 #'s ??!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> *disclaimer* note the infamous Terri Burger " <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> "!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />
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<strong> Yeah and 10.30s if Mark was driving... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> Yep Terri, I have no clue on how to <img border="0" alt="[driving]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_driving3.gif" /> , and you would definetly have the weight advantage on me, what are you at a sickly 150 #'s ??!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> *disclaimer* note the infamous Terri Burger " <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> "!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />
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