I am building a 414CI 6.0L stroker... should I go iron or alum?
11-17-2004, 03:29 PM
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The trigger wheel is on the crank which is ls1 in our case. The block has the same placement for the sensor so it will work in a ls1 car if you use a 24x wheel. So there is a possibility that a stock ls2 won't run on f car electronics but the block can be used for stroker engine's.
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We have not worked up a cost for this engine yet. We are going to make some pulls tommorow with a FAST manifold with 90mm throttlebody. What parts would you want on it? LSX intake or LS6 or without intake? It will be here on Saturday running on the dyno.
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We have not worked up a cost for this engine yet. We are going to make some pulls tommorow with a FAST manifold with 90mm throttlebody. What parts would you want on it? LSX intake or LS6 or without intake? It will be here on Saturday running on the dyno.
Kurt
Originally Posted by vmax1500
I am not quite sure what you mean by this... could you please elaborate? I assume you built a 402CI LS2 (4.00x4.00)? Are you saying that in this scenario the LS2 58X trigger will work with the LS1 electronics? Thanks again!
11-17-2004, 05:16 PM
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That is AWESOME news Kurt. Thanks for sharing!! I was curious on the crank pickup location. So it sounds like all that is needed is to extend the wiring and you are good to go.
11-17-2004, 05:33 PM
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11-18-2004, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by 427
Extend wires for cam sensor and use ls1 crank. We are using ls1 cam. The cam "ring" is now on the upper timing gear so you need to use the ls2 upper gear.
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Can you sell just the block itself?
11-18-2004, 11:54 AM
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I don't have any pics of the gear. Come to our open house on Saturday with a camera!!
The block is one we picked up for testing. We would sell just the block once they become readily available.
Kurt
The block is one we picked up for testing. We would sell just the block once they become readily available.
Kurt
Originally Posted by Black Sunshine/ 00SS
Kurt, got any pictures of that LS2 upper gear, so I can see what you are talking about? That's great news that any LS1 cam will work. I was concerned that a special cam would have to be ordered, and thus, bring up the cost.
Can you sell just the block itself?
Can you sell just the block itself?
11-18-2004, 11:59 AM
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We ran the engine today with a FAST manifold with 90mm TB.
With the new intake it made570hp and 529tq at the flywheel. The average's from 3000-6500 are 443hp and 486tq. Also of interest is this engine is making 425tq at 2500 rpm.
Kurt
With the new intake it made570hp and 529tq at the flywheel. The average's from 3000-6500 are 443hp and 486tq. Also of interest is this engine is making 425tq at 2500 rpm.
Kurt
Originally Posted by 427
The engine is a hyd roller cam. compression is 10.7-1. Mahle pistons (small dish) With a LS6 manifold and dyno headers it made 553hp and 523tq at the flywheel. The average's from 3000-6500 are 438hp and 481tq.
The cam sensor wires the same just extended the wires. We don't use knock sensors on the BS3 but that would just be a extension deal also.
We built the engine just to see if all the ls1 crank and cam sensor's would be compatible. We do have a customer that we did head and cam on 2 years ago that may buy the engine and put it in his Camaro.
Kurt
The cam sensor wires the same just extended the wires. We don't use knock sensors on the BS3 but that would just be a extension deal also.
We built the engine just to see if all the ls1 crank and cam sensor's would be compatible. We do have a customer that we did head and cam on 2 years ago that may buy the engine and put it in his Camaro.
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11-19-2004, 11:33 AM
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That seems very high to me for a motor that would probably make 480rwhp. That is silly. The curve sounds awesome but 12k??? and 480rwhp.
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11-19-2004, 11:50 AM
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Big displacement costs Big money. But it leaves big room for big power adders.
12K is not all that obscene for a long block, especially since its bleeding edge technology still (ls2 conversion). Just think, there are people who spend 30K on a c5r motor.
12K is not all that obscene for a long block, especially since its bleeding edge technology still (ls2 conversion). Just think, there are people who spend 30K on a c5r motor.
11-19-2004, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by GuitsBoy
Big displacement costs Big money. But it leaves big room for big power adders.
all day long. Its an expensive form of art.
11-19-2004, 01:12 PM
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I agree that a lot of strokers are around 12k but dont they make more than 480rwhp? That was my point. I guess the HP/$ ratio seems awful when you think you could do a forged 346 with good parts for 8k and make over 500rwhp and still be able to spray it.
I guess the driveability would be a ton better with the stroker though and much more streetable than a strung out 346.
I guess the driveability would be a ton better with the stroker though and much more streetable than a strung out 346.
11-19-2004, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 93LS1RX7
I guess the driveability would be a ton better with the stroker though and much more streetable than a strung out 346.
I dont see too many strokers making more than around ~500 RWHP. Remember that a 402 is only 15% more displacement than a 346. However radical cams keep their street manners due to the added cubes. The nice part is that you have a fully forged setup that will handle all sorts of abuse.
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11-19-2004, 02:10 PM
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You could build a 346 to make 500hp BUT thats peak. The 500hp 346 would be pretty radical, where as the 408 would make tons more torque, have a better/broader power band and could be daily driven w/o issue. Not to mention clean the 346's clock.
