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Old 12-26-2004, 11:17 PM
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Default Worth it to swap out TR224 for FM13 or TSP233/239

I'm getting ready to swap out the TR224, but before I pull out the credit card and start ordering parts, I just want to get some other views... so let me hear it.

FM13 230/232 595/585 112
TSP 233/239 59x/59x 112

The car is a 2000 C5 with stock heads, full exhaust(catted) and N20. Gears will be done down the road, but no concrete plans yet(3.90:1) What I'm looking for is the following:
1. Better topend- should not be an issue with a larger cam
2. Close to the same midrange as the TR224 - ideally equal to or better
3. N2O friendly - Max shot 100 on a TNT setup (125ish?)
4. Sewing machines are a bad thing... trying to keep valve noise close or less than TR224
5. Louder exhaust note, not just lope
6. Emissions Exempt

Any opinions... similar swaps? More importantly, are you happy?

Mike
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1. Better topend- should not be an issue with a larger cam (YES)
2. Close to the same midrange as the TR224 - ideally equal to or better
If your definition of midrange is 2500>4500 then YES
3. N2O friendly - Max shot 100 on a TNT setup (125ish?) (YES)
4. Sewing machines are a bad thing... trying to keep valve noise close or less than TR224
tr224 ramp is between XE & XE-R,
5. Louder exhaust note, not just lope
They will definitely be louder
6. Emissions Exempt
No way in Hell if it involves sniffing. If only code reading then yes.
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
1. Better topend- should not be an issue with a larger cam (YES)
2. Close to the same midrange as the TR224 - ideally equal to or better
If your definition of midrange is 2500>4500 then YES
3. N2O friendly - Max shot 100 on a TNT setup (125ish?) (YES)
4. Sewing machines are a bad thing... trying to keep valve noise close or less than TR224
tr224 ramp is between XE & XE-R,
5. Louder exhaust note, not just lope
They will definitely be louder
6. Emissions Exempt
No way in Hell if it involves sniffing. If only code reading then yes.
Predator has summed it up very well.
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Thanks and by Emissions Exempt... I mean that my C5 is exempt from testing so there of no concern at all.

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hows that?
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Originally Posted by ZMC_Racing
hows that?
If you keep it under 5k miles per year you can puke all the fuel out the pipes you want

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really.. hmm hopefully when they make this a law in SC again they will include that.. right now there are no laws.. well until u get pulled over for ur exhaust being insane.. but other then that no checkups...

what happens to ya'll when u have 6000miles and u dont pass though? u change things and retake the test? or do they take ur tags or what?
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I swapped from the 222 comp xe cam to the fm13 and the sewing machine effect is a little louder but the rest of the sound is great. I am trying to get with futral today to set up Tuning for this cam and I will let you know if I gain much over the c1
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Hey old man... Why don't you let me spec a custom cam for you? I have a 234/242/110 0.578/0.578 that made 451rwhp with a pair of my stock compression stage II LS1 heads. I can custom grind anything you want.
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I see from your sig that Mikey did your installation or tuning.
I would go with the grind he recommends....
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I am exempt in PA as well. I only put on 3k or less per year. I am also switching form a TR224 to a FM F13. I am hoping for at least .2 in the 1/4.
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F13.. That's a badass cam

Peace,
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I'm happy with my TR224
Check the sig
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f-13 is sweet...i'll be getting one in the future...for my new setup
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Still without tuning , just cruising with the 315x35x17 Nittos will blow loose at 40 in second gear like teh c1 did with the street tires before. It is makeing more power for sure. Street manners are every bit as good as the little c1 also
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Originally Posted by AINT SKEERED
Still without tuning , just cruising with the 315x35x17 Nittos will blow loose at 40 in second gear like teh c1 did with the street tires before. It is makeing more power for sure. Street manners are every bit as good as the little c1 also
What did you run with the C1 cam?
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I'm real interested in your opinion on the swap as Im going to be swapping out my C1 this year. Ive been very happy with the C1.
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I went 11.60@119.39 1.65 60 ft. with the c1 cam and 11.56 @ 119.08 with same tune as c1 cam and a max of 5 miles for computer to relearn.

With more miles it is coming around though, feels very strong now. Both best with c1 and f13 were both 945 feet above. It may feel stronger because of the -1167 feet we have right now.
If you like the sleeper sound then the c1 is for you, if you like a badass sound then the fm 13 is for you. I like the fm13 so far as it is just as street freindly as the c1 with more lope and so far feels to have a lot more midrange and topend.
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I just finished putting in a F13 from a TR224. I'm waiting on a thermostat that should be here tomorrow and will fire it off and post my thoughts! Looking forward to it after reading about the power it makes.
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Originally Posted by mikey
Hey old man... Why don't you let me spec a custom cam for you? I have a 234/242/110 0.578/0.578 that made 451rwhp with a pair of my stock compression stage II LS1 heads. I can custom grind anything you want.
Thanks for the replys guys... Mikey, I'll give you a call. We going for stripers this spring, or you forget about me

Mike



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