TR224, your thoughts on LSA?
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TR224, your thoughts on LSA? I am looking at the TR224 cam. I want some input on the 112 LSA or the 114 LSA. Especially those who are currently running this cam. What do you think?
I've run this cam before. The best results I've seen from the TR 224 cams are the ones that are 112LSA with 0 advance ground in. They have excellent valve events with an ICL of 112.
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
I have been running this cam for bout 6months. I picked this cam for the single reason that it will run and idle good on a stock tune. Doesnt mean it doesnt require one though. I'm gettin mine tuned this weekend hopefully. As far as what it feels like compared to the stocker ? Its more aggressive so expect the usual. great lope 
wont kill you just sounds like you have it modified. The power untuned feels good you can tell it just wants to open up past 5k rpm. Idle will be smooth almost like a the stocker. Dont think all is perfect the car has trouble stayin on sometimes with the A/C on. It runs richer. And it needs bolt ons to make it shine. Havent dynod or taken it to the track, but most will tell you the same this is a proven cam for both strip and street, auto x or drag. Good luck with more info, the techies round here can help you with info I dont have.
wont kill you just sounds like you have it modified. The power untuned feels good you can tell it just wants to open up past 5k rpm. Idle will be smooth almost like a the stocker. Dont think all is perfect the car has trouble stayin on sometimes with the A/C on. It runs richer. And it needs bolt ons to make it shine. Havent dynod or taken it to the track, but most will tell you the same this is a proven cam for both strip and street, auto x or drag. Good luck with more info, the techies round here can help you with info I dont have. well, one will give u better idle, the other will give u better torque. the 114 will broaden your power band so to speak, so u wont feel as much of a torque jump at the low end. with the 112, idle will be a little choppier cuz u have more valve overlap. this will tighten your power band so when u do start at the hill, it will have a more drastic rise....it wont be so lazy climbing.....better torque down low. personally, i like a choppy idle...sounds mean. and cuz it gives u better torque, im all for the 112. and yes, u will want a tune. a/f ratio will be set right and the car will pick up more hp.
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It seems to me that the 114 would give better torque down low because less of the cylinder pressure is bled off. I also would think that the 112 would be better at higher engine speeds since the overlap will help produce a scavenging effect. Am I wrong here?
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u know wut man, i thought the same thing. i talked to tons of people about this, and they said it was just the opposite. i was looking at wide lsa the same as short duration, but i guess its just the way the duration and lsa work together.
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Originally Posted by BBQLS1
It seems to me that the 114 would give better torque down low because less of the cylinder pressure is bled off. I also would think that the 112 would be better at higher engine speeds since the overlap will help produce a scavenging effect. Am I wrong here?
i put the g5x1 on 112 in mine and its got great driveability after the tune
i was afraid the idle would be to choppy but its great.my buddy has a fm11 on a 114 with 4 deg advance and his idle is just as choppy.and our cams have almost the same lift and duration.and everything iv'e read says the 112 has more torque down low than the 114.the 114 will peak a little higher the fm11 on his car peaks at 6600 and mine peaks at 6400 but holds it to 6900 his holds to 6900 also
i was afraid the idle would be to choppy but its great.my buddy has a fm11 on a 114 with 4 deg advance and his idle is just as choppy.and our cams have almost the same lift and duration.and everything iv'e read says the 112 has more torque down low than the 114.the 114 will peak a little higher the fm11 on his car peaks at 6600 and mine peaks at 6400 but holds it to 6900 his holds to 6900 also
You can't really just say one of these values does this and one does that. A narrow lsa will produce more overlap in general which equals more power (both torque and horsepower which is just an off shoot of torque). Also, because my particular cam had a very early opening and closing of the intake this torque was made very very quickly.
Four valve events happen in every 4 cycle motor. Intake valve opening/closing and exhaust valve opening/closing. One must consider these events to really talor their power band to their liking.
Four valve events happen in every 4 cycle motor. Intake valve opening/closing and exhaust valve opening/closing. One must consider these events to really talor their power band to their liking.
I have the TR224 on the 114
it seems like stock from 0 to 3000 RPMs. from 3000 to 6000 it's fun
with the 114 LSA, you can tell the car has a hint of something going to.
with the 112, there's no hiding you have a cam.
go with the 114 and a set of AFR and you'll have 410 RWHP
it seems like stock from 0 to 3000 RPMs. from 3000 to 6000 it's fun
with the 114 LSA, you can tell the car has a hint of something going to.
with the 112, there's no hiding you have a cam.
go with the 114 and a set of AFR and you'll have 410 RWHP
I like my 112 version. I have my idle speed set at 875rpms AC off and 925 AC on and thru the cats it lopes like a 114 grind. Lowering the idle speed will produce more lope but it seems to idle a whole lot better with the higher speed.
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Had to consult Smokey On what LSA does I had to look this up:
"it changes the most-efficient speed range. An engine that has a camshaft with a smaller lobe-seperation angle will generally have better breathing characteristics at higher engine speeds, and typically this results in more top end horsepower and a loss of low-end torque. An engine with a greater separation angle will have better low-rpm breathing characteristics, and this results in more low-rpm torque." -Smokey Yunick's Power Secrets by Smokey Yunick with Larry Schreib
I think this is the correct assumption.
I looked in my Comp Cams Catalog, and they didn't really define how it affects power band, just defined what it was.
"it changes the most-efficient speed range. An engine that has a camshaft with a smaller lobe-seperation angle will generally have better breathing characteristics at higher engine speeds, and typically this results in more top end horsepower and a loss of low-end torque. An engine with a greater separation angle will have better low-rpm breathing characteristics, and this results in more low-rpm torque." -Smokey Yunick's Power Secrets by Smokey Yunick with Larry Schreib
I think this is the correct assumption.
I looked in my Comp Cams Catalog, and they didn't really define how it affects power band, just defined what it was.
LSA is not solely responsible for where the rpm and power band lie as I said before.
A 230/230 110lsa cam with four degrees of advance will have a much earlier power band then a 230/230 110lsa cam with no advance or some retard in it.
A 230/230 110lsa cam with four degrees of advance will have a much earlier power band then a 230/230 110lsa cam with no advance or some retard in it.
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Originally Posted by DAPSUPRSLO
LSA is not solely responsible for where the rpm and power band lie as I said before.
A 230/230 110lsa cam with four degrees of advance will have a much earlier power band then a 230/230 110lsa cam with no advance or some retard in it.
A 230/230 110lsa cam with four degrees of advance will have a much earlier power band then a 230/230 110lsa cam with no advance or some retard in it.