Generation III Internal Engine 1997-2006 LS1 | LS6
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Why can't you bore a LSX block?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 15, 2005 | 11:46 AM
  #1  
jub jub's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Enthusiast
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 535
Likes: 0
From: Warner Robins, GA
Default Why can't you bore a LSX block?

Looking at some pics of a bare block, there seems to be room enough on the sleeves to go at least .010" over. Doesn't make any sense but then, what do I know?
Reply
Old Apr 15, 2005 | 12:26 PM
  #2  
Scalpel's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 7,000
Likes: 1
From: Lexington, Ky
Default

Simple, just not enough meat in the sleeves.
Reply
Old Apr 15, 2005 | 12:38 PM
  #3  
jub jub's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Enthusiast
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 535
Likes: 0
From: Warner Robins, GA
Default

Originally Posted by CANNIBAL
Simple, just not enough meat in the sleeves.
What is the thickness of the sleeves? Looking at a block without heads it appears there is plenty of sleeve material. Are they thicker on top then the rest of the sleeve. Forgive my ignorance. I'm bored at work today and just feel like posting something. I'm sure you inderstand!
Reply
Old Apr 15, 2005 | 12:57 PM
  #4  
xfactor_pitbulls's Avatar
TECH Addict
iTrader: (16)
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 2,218
Likes: 0
From: Nevada, TX
Default

The sleeves are pressed into an aluminum block. Dont forget, you have plenty of meat to see, but you also have to have enough to keep it stable. What was the maximum overbore on the newer blocks? Is it .012? I think the older ones were .007. If you want a bigger bore you have a few options. 6.0 steel block with up to a .040 over(safely), Darton MID to whatever their current max size is, and C5R block(which cost $6K).

Brandon
Reply
Old Apr 15, 2005 | 01:18 PM
  #5  
777's Avatar
777
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (21)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 6,697
Likes: 2
From: Jacksonville, FL
Default

i'm pretty sure you can bore to a .005 the 98's will only tolerate a slight hone iirc...you can get a darton sleeved block for up to a 434ci (427 typical)...and you can get c5-r which i have no clue how big it can go...typical is 427ci...i think it has a 4.125 bore...where as the 6.0 has a 4.000 bore...i don't think you can bore out the iron 6.0L very much either 402 and 408 stroker's are typical...
Reply
Old Apr 15, 2005 | 01:24 PM
  #6  
jub jub's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Enthusiast
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 535
Likes: 0
From: Warner Robins, GA
Default

Actually, isn't the block cast around the sleeves? I think I read that in technical brochure for Darton's MID sleeve replacement. It was explaining the process but I didn't read the whole thing.

I was just thinking if you wanted to substitute forged slugs for the cast, .010" doesn't seem like a whole lot of material to remove. I mean it doesn't really matter because I'm not looking to do it. I more or less just wanted to get some discussion going after looking at a bare block and thinking to myself, "Hmmm...seems like you should be able to take it out 010." I was thinking that engine builders must have looked at these blocks and thought the same thing!


Last edited by jub jub; Apr 15, 2005 at 01:31 PM.
Reply
Old Apr 15, 2005 | 01:40 PM
  #7  
Cal's Avatar
Cal
TECH Veteran
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 4,691
Likes: 3
From: Northern Utah
Default

I think the part you see is a lip that is wider than the rest of the sleave.
Reply
Old Apr 15, 2005 | 02:20 PM
  #8  
pekkaz's Avatar
TECH Regular
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 433
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Cal
I think the part you see is a lip that is wider than the rest of the sleave.
Here is a pic of my '98 block from the other direction.




Though, I've also tried to ask why '98s could not be honed to .010 when there is a GM service piston available for this purpose....
Reply
LS1 Tech Stories

The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time

story-0

Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-2

Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-4

Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

 
story-5

Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power

 Verdad Gallardo
story-8

10 Camaros You Should Never Buy

 
story-9

10 LS Engine Myths That Refuse to Die

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Apr 15, 2005 | 02:36 PM
  #9  
777's Avatar
777
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (21)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 6,697
Likes: 2
From: Jacksonville, FL
Default

i think that picture gives you your answer...
Reply
Old Apr 15, 2005 | 02:42 PM
  #10  
pekkaz's Avatar
TECH Regular
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 433
Likes: 0
Default

The block is now 3.905 btw with one cylinder sleeved. I might try how it likes .010 next time it's open...
Reply
Old Apr 15, 2005 | 02:56 PM
  #11  
jub jub's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Enthusiast
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 535
Likes: 0
From: Warner Robins, GA
Default

Originally Posted by 777
i think that picture gives you your answer...
Puts it into perspective doesn't it!
Reply
Old Apr 15, 2005 | 04:07 PM
  #12  
ROCNDAV's Avatar
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (100)
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 3,725
Likes: 2
From: Pasadena, CA
Default

Pekkaz beat me to it You need to see it from the bottom side. THe early blocks allowed hones up to .004, later blocks allow up to .010" bore. SAMWS6 and a couple others in the archives have gone over as I did with an early block. So far they haven't had any problems (I check in with them from time to time and ask). My 395 stroker still isnt done, so I cant give you any reliability issues. I am using 3.905 pistons.

One thing for sure, if you dont follow the normal advice, and do as we did, I wouldnt suggest running a power adder.

HTH
David
Reply
Old Apr 15, 2005 | 08:00 PM
  #13  
jub jub's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Enthusiast
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 535
Likes: 0
From: Warner Robins, GA
Default

Originally Posted by ROCNDAV
Pekkaz beat me to it You need to see it from the bottom side. THe early blocks allowed hones up to .004, later blocks allow up to .010" bore. SAMWS6 and a couple others in the archives have gone over as I did with an early block. So far they haven't had any problems (I check in with them from time to time and ask). My 395 stroker still isnt done, so I cant give you any reliability issues. I am using 3.905 pistons.

One thing for sure, if you dont follow the normal advice, and do as we did, I wouldnt suggest running a power adder.

HTH
David
Thanks for the info David. I didn't know you can you get pistons for the LS engines at .010" over. I've seen the .005" over before. Learn something new everyday.

Anyway, hope all works out on the 395! Should be a beast!
Reply
Old Apr 15, 2005 | 09:01 PM
  #14  
howard wolf's Avatar
Teching In
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
From: Marietta, GA
Default

Originally Posted by jub jub
What is the thickness of the sleeves? Looking at a block without heads it appears there is plenty of sleeve material. Are they thicker on top then the rest of the sleeve. Forgive my ignorance. I'm bored at work today and just feel like posting something. I'm sure you inderstand!
Here's some info from the LS2 forum that might help answer some questions.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iv-internal-engine/306577-ls2-block-interior-revealed.html
Reply
Old Apr 15, 2005 | 09:10 PM
  #15  
jrp's Avatar
jrp
SN95 Director
20 Year Member
iTrader: (16)
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 10,755
Likes: 7
From: Valencia, Ca
Default

when you see a sleeve out of the block you can really see how thin it is. with steves tools he can take a sleeve in a single pass.
Reply
Old Apr 16, 2005 | 07:15 AM
  #16  
jub jub's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Enthusiast
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 535
Likes: 0
From: Warner Robins, GA
Default

OK, it all makes sense now especially after looking at the above thread. Hey, that's why I asked the question!
Reply




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:25 PM.

story-0
Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

Slideshow: This heavily modified 1971 Camaro mixes classic muscle car styling with a fifth-generation Camaro interior and modern LS3 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:06:42


VIEW MORE
story-1
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

Slideshow: From wobbling harmonic balancers to failed EBCMs, these are the issues that define long-term C5 ownership and what repairs typically involve.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-07 18:44:57


VIEW MORE
story-2
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-4
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


VIEW MORE
story-5
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


VIEW MORE
story-6
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

Slideshow: A one-off sports car that looks like a vintage Italian exotic-but hides a C6 Corvette underneath-just sold for the price of a new mid-engine Corvette.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-23 18:53:41


VIEW MORE
story-7
Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power

Slideshow: A heavily reworked 1972 K5 Blazer swaps its off-road roots for a low-slung street-focused build with modern V8 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-09 18:08:45


VIEW MORE
story-8
10 Camaros You Should Never Buy

Slideshow: There are thousands of used Camaros on the market but we think you should avoid these 10

By | 2026-02-17 17:09:30


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 LS Engine Myths That Refuse to Die

Slideshows: Which one of these myths do you believe?

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-01-28 18:10:11


VIEW MORE