prc springs
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From: Chattanooga
Originally Posted by Gunnar@Patriot
We have customers with 20k plus using our Patriot Gold spring. Other "gold" springs have not been on the market long enough to get this type of mileage on them.
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From: Texas and Qatar
Originally Posted by mshiznitzh
To bad you guys sold them.
The ones they shipped us to be installed on our own test cars were ringer heads IMO. They performed well and had minimal issues (oil consumption on all of them) so of coarse we didn't know what was going on with the heads we had drop shipped. We stopped selling them because of lack of QC which apparantly is still lacking according to the recall stickied on this forum.
We received two phone calls one morning, two failed motors in customers cars within 1/2 hour of turning on the phones, that put it over the line for us. Both had PP valves that came apart and went through the pistons/block.
Originally Posted by Gunnar@Patriot
We have customers with 20k plus using our Patriot Gold spring. Other "gold" springs have not been on the market long enough to get this type of mileage on them.
These springs are sold through the aftermarket from Pioneer. Pioneer is a brand that is sold to machine shops and rebuilders. The only thing different about the Pioneer spring is that it doesn't have the gold finish, which is strictly a cosmetic thing for marketing reasons. I know that Patriot uses these springs, Manley does, and AFR. I can't comment about the stuff from Texas Speed, but the specs look close enough that it probably is the same thing.
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From: Texas and Qatar
Originally Posted by Geoff
I can't comment about the stuff from Texas Speed, but the specs look close enough that it probably is the same thing.
Last edited by -Joseph-; Apr 21, 2005 at 07:07 PM.
Originally Posted by -Joseph-
Precision Race Components, Inc (PRC) puts the spring kits together that Texas-Speed, FMS, and TEA, etc.... have been reselling. FWIW Pioneer doesn't make springs, its cheaper for them to buy the springs unpolished and without the plating.
Associated spring makes the springs. In a casual conversation with someone
who shall remain nameless from Associated the springs are only done for Patriot with the gold finish. However it is the same spring otherwise and even the manufacturer said the finish does nothing other than enhance the marketability of the spring. I am sorry about saying that these were Texas Speed spring kits, but since Jason owns PRC and is one of the owners of Texas Speed it was an honest mistake. Hey, it all coming out of the same pot anyways.
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Originally Posted by AdamSS
Yup, PRC and PP springs are EXACTLY IDENTICAL with an exception of golden plating for PP...
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From: Chattanooga
Originally Posted by 2xLS1
Which takes me back to the thread I started about if the Super 7 locks are better than stock locks. I really feel that those that said the stock locks work just as good as the Super 7s are basing that on their bias about the parent company selling them.
I only stated the reasons we use them. 1. we have had No failures ever in the last 4 years of using them
2. overall lighter valve train weight. (Not much but it is lighter)
3. Never run out of stock on them, no supplier issues
4 Fitment seems to be better than aftermarket "super 7's" we have seen. (I am sure some are nice but the few sets I have seen all included extras cause the fitment was so poor)
Originally Posted by BrentB@TEA
Not really. I have used both. We have never had a failure of a stock lock in an LS1. The parent company we get them from is GM. Yes we do have a love for GM I only stated the reasons we use them.
1. we have had No failures ever in the last 4 years of using them
2. overall lighter valve train weight. (Not much but it is lighter)
3. Never run out of stock on them, no supplier issues
4 Fitment seems to be better than aftermarket "super 7's" we have seen. (I am sure some are nice but the few sets I have seen all included extras cause the fitment was so poor)
I only stated the reasons we use them. 1. we have had No failures ever in the last 4 years of using them
2. overall lighter valve train weight. (Not much but it is lighter)
3. Never run out of stock on them, no supplier issues
4 Fitment seems to be better than aftermarket "super 7's" we have seen. (I am sure some are nice but the few sets I have seen all included extras cause the fitment was so poor)
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From: RainbowCity,Alabama
The "gold" spring is electro polished,not plated.Polishing springs does have an effect on overall spring life.This is no different than polishing conneting rods.It will help with stress and improve spring life.PRC is currently testing a new valve spring.The results are excellent.Contrary to other companies that sell performance products,all of the PRC products are tested before being offered to customers.
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From: Chattanooga
Originally Posted by 2xLS1
I don't think failure rate on stock locks was the issue or has ever been an issue when Cstraub introduced using Super 7 locks on LS1s. Wasn't it to control retainer movement which may have been contributing to spring breakage? Please correct me if I'm wrong. The parent company I was referring to is the company selling the Super 7s. Not GM. You know, the company everyone seems to love to hate. Also, are you saying there are different versions of Super 7 locks (aftermarket super 7s) with some being better than others? Now that everyone knows both co's springs are the same, the lock issue is what distinguishes one kit from the other.
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Yeah, nice avatar too 
Going back to the top and initial post here is a link that illustrates my belief in Comp 918's and their capabilities.
http://www.krcperformance.net/newcontent/beehive.html
Going back to the top and initial post here is a link that illustrates my belief in Comp 918's and their capabilities.
http://www.krcperformance.net/newcontent/beehive.html