ExceSSive

iTrader: (13)

I have decided to get the TR 224/224 .56x/.56x 114 LSA. I realize this will require computer tuning, will it also require me to have a bigger than stock stall converter in my A4, 02 SS? I will be doing some JetHot LTH at the same time and springs/retainers, etc... Did I leave anything out?


Thanks
Jon

Is this a good price? Are the double springs a waste of money with this cam?

Thunder Racing LS1 Cam Swap Package w/ Double Springs $799.99 includes:
- Crane Cams 144832-16 Valve Springs
- Crane Cams 144661 Titanium Retainers
- Crane Cams 144460-16 Hardened Seats
- 11-VS-UV5001-EO Valve Stem Seals
- Thunder Racing Stock Length Pushrods (7.400)
- Change to Comp Cams 63-26921-KIT Spring kit for $175 additional

Options

Valve Springs: Crane Cams Spring Kit
Gaskets: Cam Gaskets $54.99 $54.99
Year: 2001-2005
99-224/224-114

blkZ28spt

I'd use Comp 918's if possible. GREAT single spring.
From what I remember the only parts you need are:
Cam
Spring kit (usually springs, Ti retainers, plus seats/seals for some such as duals)
pushrods
gasket kit
oil pump: optional, you don't need it
timing chain: optional, get LS2 chain if you like but it's not required

What converter? Don't go too small the frist time around! Dont forget a tranny cooler with the converer, and maybe a shift kit, plus a tranny temp gauge.

Cal

iTrader: (1)

That rear view looks familiar! You will be OK with that cam and the stock converter. Yes I would say dual coil springs are a waste with that cam. Infact, singles would actually work better since they are lighter and have fewer problems with harmonic vibrations, especially the Comp 918's. I ran a TR224 for two years with Comp 918's and they came out after 15,000 miles with the same seat presure as when new. I'm also running 918's with the present cam, which is much bigger and has seen 7000 rpm a few times.

ExceSSive

iTrader: (13)

Thanks guys, I also plan on supercharging the car eventually. If I use a new stall it would be 3200-3400. Not sure which I will go with. I rode in a 3200 stall car the other day and was very impressed with the way it pulled from a dig.

blkZ28spt

Reaize that you may want a different cam with the supercharger.

ExceSSive

iTrader: (13)

I thought that would be a good cam for FI. It has a 114 LSA, I wanted the 112 LSA but it seems that would be less FI friendly. What specs would you recommend?

SJTrance

As I understand, this cam (224/227 .563/.569 114 LSA) sold by Thunder racing would be the best option if you're planning to supercharge the motor.

PS: Another question: anybody drive with the 224 cam ExceSSive is talking about with a stock stall converter? How does it feel? Thanks.

ExceSSive

iTrader: (13)

Nice car, I love those rims on that car.

A friend of mine put the 224 cam in an 01 Z last week but he put a 3200 TC in the car the next day and so did not drive it with the stock converter. I wish he had taken me for a ride with the stock TC before he installed the new one.

SJTrance

^^ Thanks for the compliments.

Camaro ChriSS

I have a Yank SY3500 TC with a 224 cam, but with slightly more lift - not sure about a stock TC, but the combo is great the way I have it.

I think everyone has given you good advise above. Price is fine. Thunder is good.

blkZ28spt

I'm not educated enough on FI to recommend a grind. The 224 on a 114 actually might not be that bad of a choice as it has zero overlap and should not blead off boost.

SJTrance

The BEST thing to do would be to contact a tuner like TR or Futral...hell, even Comp Cams. They must have a LOT more experience than most of us. They'll usually have someone available to talk with you so that they can get you exactly what you want.

blkZ28spt

Yes, when you get to the point where you are ready to order a part calling the sponsors and talking to them directly can be very helpfull. Most of them are very helpfull and knowledgeable.

ExceSSive

iTrader: (13)

You know that is a good idea. I will do that I am just doing some research right now so I have the right questions to ask. I really do like that 224 cam though.


Thanks

Jon

blkZ28spt

Having all the right questions to ask is a big step. You think we don't like it when people say "what cam should I get?" without any background info...try calling up a sponsor who is on the clock getting stuff done and do that.....I wonder what you'd end up with? lol

I knew what to ask, etc, got it narrowed down to a few choices with pros and cons between them and didn't make the final decision until I called TSP.

blkZ28spt

I take back what I said. I tend to forget that it has zero overlap @ .05. It does, however, still have overlap. I do think you will want a different grind to optimize a force induced setup.

ExceSSive

iTrader: (13)

I know it has some overlap, but not as much as a 112. I like this particular cam because it will give me a good gain until I add the SC, without requiring the TC (granted leaving 0.5 sec ET on the table). I know there has to be an optimum cam available but will the difference be that pronounced? Also, while running without FI will a true blower cam provide bang for my buck? I have looked into the Z06 cam. I may break down and get that with the 117.5 LSA or something like that should reduce the boost loss and is cheaper.