choosing small cam
choosing small cam OK another "help me choose a cam" -
Want to get a small cam, for mainly low end, stock heads/manifold, no lope, stock idle, no sewing machine, long spring life, no emissions problems, will tune. My short list:
Lunati 212/221 116 LSA .510/.510
Crane 210/218 114 LSA .531
Comp 212/218 114 LSA .522/.529
All pretty close - any real difference between these 3? Anyone running one of these?
Want to get a small cam, for mainly low end, stock heads/manifold, no lope, stock idle, no sewing machine, long spring life, no emissions problems, will tune. My short list:
Lunati 212/221 116 LSA .510/.510
Crane 210/218 114 LSA .531
Comp 212/218 114 LSA .522/.529
All pretty close - any real difference between these 3? Anyone running one of these?
Comp makes a LS6 replacement on a 115LSa or the Lingenfelter GT2-3 would be muy choice.I went w/a Comp XE-HL lobe and the specs were for manifolds 214-222 559-566 115+4 and should idle like stock make decent low end and pull hard to my 6200 shiftpoint,rev limter set at 6500.....
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This may be more than you want, but it will make more power than the ones you listed and still idle well.
Thunder Racing Custom "CheaTR" Camshaft - 214/230 .601/.578 117 LSA. Off Idle-6800 RPM Power Band. Broad power range. Works well with stock exhaust manifolds and catalytic converters. Stock like idle.
Thunder Racing Custom "CheaTR" Camshaft - 214/230 .601/.578 117 LSA. Off Idle-6800 RPM Power Band. Broad power range. Works well with stock exhaust manifolds and catalytic converters. Stock like idle.
Originally Posted by gtovan
This may be more than you want, but it will make more power than the ones you listed and still idle well.
Thunder Racing Custom "CheaTR" Camshaft - 214/230 .601/.578 117 LSA. Off Idle-6800 RPM Power Band. Broad power range. Works well with stock exhaust manifolds and catalytic converters. Stock like idle.
Thunder Racing Custom "CheaTR" Camshaft - 214/230 .601/.578 117 LSA. Off Idle-6800 RPM Power Band. Broad power range. Works well with stock exhaust manifolds and catalytic converters. Stock like idle.
The added lift of 1.85 rocker arms woke up the top end of the 206/212 .515/.522 112lsa cam without hardly affecting the lowend. Go for more lift in your cam choices or get higher ration rocker arms to compliment your selected cams.
The "CheaTR" Camshaft - 214/230 .601/.578 may have too much lift, he doesn't want to change the springs much.
The cam I have is awesome..CC 218/224 527/534 114 is a great low end cam, it idles like stock (very slight lope), it has pretty good low end torque, and has power all the way to 6500...it will pass emissions with no problem.
LS1Speed.com used to carry it, but seems like a lot of sponsors are not carrying this cam much anymore...Thunder Racing still has it though.
The others you have listed are good too, but you may want to go a little bigger.
I have CC 918 springs with mine & have a very slight "sewing machine" sound.
The cam I have is awesome..CC 218/224 527/534 114 is a great low end cam, it idles like stock (very slight lope), it has pretty good low end torque, and has power all the way to 6500...it will pass emissions with no problem.
LS1Speed.com used to carry it, but seems like a lot of sponsors are not carrying this cam much anymore...Thunder Racing still has it though.
The others you have listed are good too, but you may want to go a little bigger.
I have CC 918 springs with mine & have a very slight "sewing machine" sound.
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i know guys like the 212/218 for their trucks so i would lean on that one.. im putting a 210/218 in my truck cause i want stock idle, good spring life, and no major tuning
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Originally Posted by patSS/00
OK another "help me choose a cam" -
Want to get a small cam, for mainly low end, stock heads/manifold, no lope, stock idle, no sewing machine, long spring life, no emissions problems, will tune. My short list:
Lunati 212/221 116 LSA .510/.510
Crane 210/218 114 LSA .531
Comp 212/218 114 LSA .522/.529
All pretty close - any real difference between these 3? Anyone running one of these?
Want to get a small cam, for mainly low end, stock heads/manifold, no lope, stock idle, no sewing machine, long spring life, no emissions problems, will tune. My short list:
Lunati 212/221 116 LSA .510/.510
Crane 210/218 114 LSA .531
Comp 212/218 114 LSA .522/.529
All pretty close - any real difference between these 3? Anyone running one of these?
Any of those cams sounds good for your stock heads. Don't bother with a high lift cam as you won't gain much from the extra lift since there is not enough flow area through the stock valve to take advantage of the high lift.
Maybe you would consider the MTI Stealth Cam 1 220/220 .581/.581 115 LSA. I think that would be perfect for what you are looking for. I'm looking at that cam and a Futural F2 camshaft. According to MTI website , this cam make great power across the board and it have a stock idle. Hope this helps.
Originally Posted by RED98WS6
Any of those cams sounds good for your stock heads. Don't bother with a high lift cam as you won't gain much from the extra lift since there is not enough flow area through the stock valve to take advantage of the high lift.
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2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
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216/220 114 Comp Cam xr269,
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63-LS-216/220 Comp Cams LS1 Camshaft - 216 / 220 .525 / .532 114 LSA 1300-6300 RPM Power Band. Computer Tuning Required with automatic transmission cars. One of our most popular cams...This has proven to be a very well balanced camshaft in that it makes good power across the entire RPM range.
Otherwise known as "old faithfull"
63-LS-216/220 Comp Cams LS1 Camshaft - 216 / 220 .525 / .532 114 LSA 1300-6300 RPM Power Band. Computer Tuning Required with automatic transmission cars. One of our most popular cams...This has proven to be a very well balanced camshaft in that it makes good power across the entire RPM range.
Originally Posted by 98A4LS1
Cheatr cam has similar duration specs as the HotCam.
Hot Cam
218/229 .525/525 112LSA
intake lobe: 283 degrees @ .006", 218 @ .050", 131 @ .200"
exhaust lobe: 293 degrees @ .006", 229 @ .050", 137 @ .200"
CheaTR
215/230 .600/.578
intake lobe: 265 degrees @ .006", 215 @ .050", 141 @ .200"
exhaust lobe: 287 degrees @ .006", 230 @ .050", 145 @ .200"
Just look at the intake lobe differences and you'll see that the CheaTR has much less seat to seat duration 265 vs. 283 and much more duration at .200: 141 vs 131. That means the CheaTR will have a much smoother idle, but have lots more valve area under the curve once open to allow it to make TONS more power. Do not judge a cam by duration at .050" alone. It's an easy way to get suckered into buying the wrong cam.
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
Originally Posted by Patrick G
Maybe at .050" lift, but not at other lifts.
Hot Cam
218/229 .525/525 112LSA
intake lobe: 283 degrees @ .006", 218 @ .050", 131 @ .200"
exhaust lobe: 293 degrees @ .006", 229 @ .050", 137 @ .200"
CheaTR
215/230 .600/.578
intake lobe: 265 degrees @ .006", 215 @ .050", 141 @ .200"
exhaust lobe: 287 degrees @ .006", 230 @ .050", 145 @ .200"
Do not judge a cam by duration at .050" alone. It's an easy way to get suckered into buying the wrong cam.
Hot Cam
218/229 .525/525 112LSA
intake lobe: 283 degrees @ .006", 218 @ .050", 131 @ .200"
exhaust lobe: 293 degrees @ .006", 229 @ .050", 137 @ .200"
CheaTR
215/230 .600/.578
intake lobe: 265 degrees @ .006", 215 @ .050", 141 @ .200"
exhaust lobe: 287 degrees @ .006", 230 @ .050", 145 @ .200"
Do not judge a cam by duration at .050" alone. It's an easy way to get suckered into buying the wrong cam.
220/220 .553/.553 114LSA
int.& exh. lobes: 272 degrees@.006, 220 @.050,139 @ .200
no wonder your making killer power,lol.thanks for showing us the specs on your cam.it's a real eye opener.
Originally Posted by Patrick G
Maybe at .050" lift, but not at other lifts.
Hot Cam
218/229 .525/525 112LSA
intake lobe: 283 degrees @ .006", 218 @ .050", 131 @ .200"
exhaust lobe: 293 degrees @ .006", 229 @ .050", 137 @ .200"
CheaTR
215/230 .600/.578
intake lobe: 265 degrees @ .006", 215 @ .050", 141 @ .200"
exhaust lobe: 287 degrees @ .006", 230 @ .050", 145 @ .200"
Just look at the intake lobe differences and you'll see that the CheaTR has much less seat to seat duration 265 vs. 283 and much more duration at .200: 141 vs 131. That means the CheaTR will have a much smoother idle, but have lots more valve area under the curve once open to allow it to make TONS more power. Do not judge a cam by duration at .050" alone. It's an easy way to get suckered into buying the wrong cam.
Hot Cam
218/229 .525/525 112LSA
intake lobe: 283 degrees @ .006", 218 @ .050", 131 @ .200"
exhaust lobe: 293 degrees @ .006", 229 @ .050", 137 @ .200"
CheaTR
215/230 .600/.578
intake lobe: 265 degrees @ .006", 215 @ .050", 141 @ .200"
exhaust lobe: 287 degrees @ .006", 230 @ .050", 145 @ .200"
Just look at the intake lobe differences and you'll see that the CheaTR has much less seat to seat duration 265 vs. 283 and much more duration at .200: 141 vs 131. That means the CheaTR will have a much smoother idle, but have lots more valve area under the curve once open to allow it to make TONS more power. Do not judge a cam by duration at .050" alone. It's an easy way to get suckered into buying the wrong cam.
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Originally Posted by mike s.
Predator-Z, how is that cam? Im thinking of getting one, is the idle much different from stock? What adjustments are to be made concerning tuning?
