F15 vs MS3
I personally would go FM14 or FM15, but thats because I am a HUGE FMS fan. I am curretnly running an FM13 and their STAGE II heads and my car has 440RWHP with an open cutout, so i have great confidence in them. 
From the dyno numbers I have seen the MS3 loves the fast intake. Read about a stock headed Z06 motor with MS3, with Fast and full bolt ons make 450rwhp all motor.
Get some stepped headers and juice. It should make big powah
Get some stepped headers and juice. It should make big powah
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Originally Posted by dug
From the dyno numbers I have seen the MS3 loves the fast intake.
i recently went w/ the ms3.. fade2blk500 was the person who installed it. him and everyone keeps giving me crap for not getting a f14, but the ms3 is what i wanted. im going to be spraying 150-200 on it also. i havent got the car fired up yet, it will be running this weekend though. i have ridden in a friends car w/ the same setup as mine w/ the ms3 many times and it moves well. made 416rwhp on motor.
Originally Posted by 5POINT7
I'd go F15.
To be honest, I've seen a lot more TSP disappointments than Futral disappointments on the dyno. Why not go with a proven winner?
To be honest, I've seen a lot more TSP disappointments than Futral disappointments on the dyno. Why not go with a proven winner?
I have seen disapointments from both. Lately I have seen dissapointments with the Futral cams. I saw 2 different cars in the same week have low numbers with 13 and 14 cams. They were speculating a bad batch of misground cams. I have no experience with either, just what I saw being posted about 2 weeks ago.
Wow, thanks for all the replies. This def. gives me more to look at and think about. I have spoken with both Candy at Futral and Jason at TSP and they have been very friendly and knowledgeable. I have really heard many good things about both companies and there products. It really sounds to like I can't go wrong with either cam.
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Originally Posted by 5POINT7
I'd go F15.
To be honest, I've seen a lot more TSP disappointments than Futral disappointments on the dyno. Why not go with a proven winner?
To be honest, I've seen a lot more TSP disappointments than Futral disappointments on the dyno. Why not go with a proven winner?
Brian
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Originally Posted by 5POINT7
I'd go F15.
To be honest, I've seen a lot more TSP disappointments than Futral disappointments on the dyno. Why not go with a proven winner?
To be honest, I've seen a lot more TSP disappointments than Futral disappointments on the dyno. Why not go with a proven winner?
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"Disappointing"?
Relative to the amount of cars with FMS cams...disappointing. Smaller FMS cams put down similar/better #'s than larger TSP cams time and time again. PROVEN.
My opinion maybe biased however, I was pretty disappointed with the #'s from the cam in my Formula.
Take it as you will, I'm just not a TSP guy anymore.
"Disappointing"?
Relative to the amount of cars with FMS cams...disappointing. Smaller FMS cams put down similar/better #'s than larger TSP cams time and time again. PROVEN.
My opinion maybe biased however, I was pretty disappointed with the #'s from the cam in my Formula.
Take it as you will, I'm just not a TSP guy anymore.
Our 231/237 is good for ~50RW. What did you baseline and what were the final numbers? Just becuase you didn't dyno 420RW like others, doesn't mean the cam didn't pick up the power it's supposed to.
Brian
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Originally Posted by obrien24
Ok guys, I am looking into getting a cam, and as of right now, I have narrowed it down between these two cams. My car is an 01ss with ported tb, asp pulley, slp long tubes, 3" true duals with x pipe, 12 bolt moser with 4.10s and steel ds. I also plan to spray a 100-150 shot on top of this cam. I am just looking for opinions on which cam will be better.
My results are in my sig.
Futral Motorsports all the way.
412rwhp through the Vette drivetrain without an underdrive pulley and on the stock TB? Are you ******* kidding me? That's right.
That should be around 420 rwhp with the F-body drivetrain. Add the UD pulley and TB and it'll be more like 430+ rwhp. Cam-Only.
Seriously badass cam.
Mike
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412rwhp through the Vette drivetrain without an underdrive pulley and on the stock TB? Are you ******* kidding me? That's right.
That should be around 420 rwhp with the F-body drivetrain. Add the UD pulley and TB and it'll be more like 430+ rwhp. Cam-Only.
Seriously badass cam.
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Originally Posted by Brian @ Texas Speed & Performance
Our 231/237 is good for ~50RW. What did you baseline and what were the final numbers? Just becuase you didn't dyno 420RW like others, doesn't mean the cam didn't pick up the power it's supposed to.
Brian
Brian
I didn't baseline dyno and the car didn't get dynoed tuned until after I sold it. 386RW w/ mildly ported heads.
I originally posted to simply offer advice on which cam to buy, not to disrepute your place of employment.
To be honest with you I'm not to sure these heads are worth anything. You can tell the intake ports have been smoothed out a little but who knows what that is worth. If I had more money I would do some testing and what not, but I don't. I just installed a ported throttle body and an asp pulley. I'm going saturday to tampa and I'm prolly going to get it re-dyno'd. We will see how it runs.
I'm not even going to argue cams because it's a mute point (personally I'd go with futral's cam's and I may still change it to the f-14 if I have time and money). Different cars respond differently to different things. Not to mention any good dyno'ing/running car is all in the combo. Not necassarily the biggest heads and the biggest cam.
I'm not even going to argue cams because it's a mute point (personally I'd go with futral's cam's and I may still change it to the f-14 if I have time and money). Different cars respond differently to different things. Not to mention any good dyno'ing/running car is all in the combo. Not necassarily the biggest heads and the biggest cam.
I know a certain somebody that had a F13 with some Stage 2.5 5.3 heads and he swapped the 13 out for a F15 and only picked up like 8rwhp.
I also know another guy that had the TSP 231/237 and he swapped it out with the F13 and the car still ran the same exact times at the track. I believe he said the F13 had like 20 more hp down low but the 231/237 had a lil more up top.
I also know another guy that had the TSP 231/237 and he swapped it out with the F13 and the car still ran the same exact times at the track. I believe he said the F13 had like 20 more hp down low but the 231/237 had a lil more up top.
