Lightning

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I personally would go FM14 or FM15, but thats because I am a HUGE FMS fan. I am curretnly running an FM13 and their STAGE II heads and my car has 440RWHP with an open cutout, so i have great confidence in them.

dug

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From the dyno numbers I have seen the MS3 loves the fast intake. Read about a stock headed Z06 motor with MS3, with Fast and full bolt ons make 450rwhp all motor.

Get some stepped headers and juice. It should make big powah

blkZ28spt

MS3 just like intakes. I made 343 rwhp with mine through unlocked 3500 stall with stock pulley and LS1 intake. Restalled to 4000 while adding LS6 intake and SLP UD crank pulley and made 385 rwhp. ~42 rwhp gain, even with the raised stall speed, and at least 30 of that had to be the LS6 intake.

dug

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You might be able to hit 400rwhp with the Fast intake. Those are strong numbers for an auto car with stock heads.

LETZ RUN

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i recently went w/ the ms3.. fade2blk500 was the person who installed it. him and everyone keeps giving me crap for not getting a f14, but the ms3 is what i wanted. im going to be spraying 150-200 on it also. i havent got the car fired up yet, it will be running this weekend though. i have ridden in a friends car w/ the same setup as mine w/ the ms3 many times and it moves well. made 416rwhp on motor.

Matt D

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dyno numbers and track numbers are two different things. i have beaten h/c cars on the track, and i am still stock internals.

Full-Force

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I have seen disapointments from both. Lately I have seen dissapointments with the Futral cams. I saw 2 different cars in the same week have low numbers with 13 and 14 cams. They were speculating a bad batch of misground cams. I have no experience with either, just what I saw being posted about 2 weeks ago.

obrien24

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Wow, thanks for all the replies. This def. gives me more to look at and think about. I have spoken with both Candy at Futral and Jason at TSP and they have been very friendly and knowledgeable. I have really heard many good things about both companies and there products. It really sounds to like I can't go wrong with either cam.

5POINT7

Very true. But the original poster didn't specify which one he valued more (dyno #'s or track #'s).

Brian @ Texas Speed & Performance

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MS3 consitently puts down 60-65RW...how's that disappointing??

Brian

Trevor @ Texas Speed & Perf.

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The MS3 is proven to add 60-65 RWHP everytime. It doesn't matter if the car is baselining at 300 RWHP or 360 RWHP with a stock cam, it will still gain 60-65 RWHP. I can see someone trying to compare some peak numbers between 18 different cars seeing variances in numbers. Every setup is going to vary in numbers because of varying mods, tranny in the car, tires, etc. This is why we always strongly encourage customers to baseline their cars before the cam swap. Everyone assumes that their car makes the best power like graphs seen on the internet, but all of them don't. The cam is very proven. We ran a 10.51 @ 125 MPH with this cam and stock heads in our car. I'm not sure how much more proving it needs.

Trevor
Texas Speed & Performance

5POINT7

**Directed at both TSP guys**
"Disappointing"?
Relative to the amount of cars with FMS cams...disappointing. Smaller FMS cams put down similar/better #'s than larger TSP cams time and time again. PROVEN.

My opinion maybe biased however, I was pretty disappointed with the #'s from the cam in my Formula.

Take it as you will, I'm just not a TSP guy anymore.

Brian @ Texas Speed & Performance

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Our 231/237 is good for ~50RW. What did you baseline and what were the final numbers? Just becuase you didn't dyno 420RW like others, doesn't mean the cam didn't pick up the power it's supposed to.

Brian

GM Muscle

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I can tell you that the MS3 works pretty damn good with nitrous. I couldn't be happier with mine. I can't wait to see what kind of numbers I put down when my crappy 2.5" duals come off.

Kraest

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My results are in my sig.

Futral Motorsports all the way.

412rwhp through the Vette drivetrain without an underdrive pulley and on the stock TB? Are you ******* kidding me? That's right.

That should be around 420 rwhp with the F-body drivetrain. Add the UD pulley and TB and it'll be more like 430+ rwhp. Cam-Only.

Seriously badass cam.

Mike

5POINT7

Good and valid point.

I didn't baseline dyno and the car didn't get dynoed tuned until after I sold it. 386RW w/ mildly ported heads.

I originally posted to simply offer advice on which cam to buy, not to disrepute your place of employment.

co.6z28

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either way you cant go wrong. i've had better customer sevrice from tsp that why i deal with them

777

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To be honest with you I'm not to sure these heads are worth anything. You can tell the intake ports have been smoothed out a little but who knows what that is worth. If I had more money I would do some testing and what not, but I don't. I just installed a ported throttle body and an asp pulley. I'm going saturday to tampa and I'm prolly going to get it re-dyno'd. We will see how it runs.

I'm not even going to argue cams because it's a mute point (personally I'd go with futral's cam's and I may still change it to the f-14 if I have time and money). Different cars respond differently to different things. Not to mention any good dyno'ing/running car is all in the combo. Not necassarily the biggest heads and the biggest cam.

1QuickT-A

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I know a certain somebody that had a F13 with some Stage 2.5 5.3 heads and he swapped the 13 out for a F15 and only picked up like 8rwhp.

I also know another guy that had the TSP 231/237 and he swapped it out with the F13 and the car still ran the same exact times at the track. I believe he said the F13 had like 20 more hp down low but the 231/237 had a lil more up top.

prostock_bigblock

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bigger than that .