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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 04:12 PM
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How do these compare? One is a straight spring, the other is conical...which is better?

I'm not worried about breaking a single spring, what I want to know is which one is more stable at higher rpms?

Weight is an issue, and I cant imagine the Golds with a Ti retaier are lighter than the 918s with a stock retainer.

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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 04:13 PM
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Depends on the cam.
Smaller cam, go with the 918's.

When it comes to weight....they Patriot's are MAYBE a pound heavier total kit.
I have both a set of 918's and a set of the PP duals in Ziplock bags. Very close in weight.
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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 04:39 PM
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Wanting to know the same thing here....... What is the best dual spring to go with. How would you rate the Patriot Gold Duals?
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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian@CompCams
Valvetrain weight is important down to the gram....much less a pound! As far as stability and harmonics goes..that 918 will walk off and leave a dual in the dust!
Agreed. I wish I could weigh them more exactly. No scale here.
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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 04:49 PM
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How much rpm and lift can the 918's take?
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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian@CompCams
We have done testing up to 7,500 and upwards of .620" lift.
So that is closer to what the masses say about the 918s.

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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 05:19 PM
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Wow...this is some good info!

Yes, valvetrain mass is impostant down to the gram. I like the fact that the Golds are duals...but I'm not betting the Comps would break with my cam (.588").
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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 99ssleeper
Wow...this is some good info!

Yes, valvetrain mass is impostant down to the gram. I like the fact that the Golds are duals...but I'm not betting the Comps would break with my cam (.588").
The 918's will handle that cam no problem I think these springs will handle a LOT more cam then peeps give them credit for, My limiter is set at 6800 with a FMS 11 on a 112 and I spray a 100 shot with no problem, the guys that designed the Gen III were on to something
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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian@CompCams
Noiser?....What thinking lead you to that? When we are talking about weight on valvetrain..we aren't talking about slowing your car down becaue you added a pound here or there. Valvetrain weight is important down to the gram....much less a pound! As far as stability and harmonics goes..that 918 will walk off and leave a dual in the dust!
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Can the #26120 Single Beehive spring (155lb.@ 1.88" and 377lb.@ 1.28" be adapted to work w/ lobes beyond the 918's limits by machining spring pockets, ect.?
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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 07:30 PM
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My Comp 918's floated my valves after 12k miles with stock retainers. They have been replaced with Patriot Gold duals and Ti retainers. Cam is a TR 224/224 114.
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how high were you revving?
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Old Aug 11, 2005 | 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by SporkLover
how high were you revving?
6600rpm redline, they started floating at 5500rpm
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Old Aug 12, 2005 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Ferocity02
My Comp 918's floated my valves after 12k miles with stock retainers. They have been replaced with Patriot Gold duals and Ti retainers. Cam is a TR 224/224 114.
All you had to do is shim them
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I recently switched from 'gold' duals to 918's and I think the valvetrain noise is less now.
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Old Aug 12, 2005 | 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
All you had to do is shim them
I'd rather not beat around the bush. They got some good time in. I am much happier with my Golds now. The power doesnt fall off at 5500 and the valvetrain noise has not increased as some said it would.
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Old Aug 13, 2005 | 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Ferocity02
I'd rather not beat around the bush. They got some good time in. I am much happier with my Golds now. The power doesnt fall off at 5500 and the valvetrain noise has not increased as some said it would.
Look at you sig, what you forget to mention is that you run boost (PROCHARGER). No wonder you needed stiffer springs.
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