how much is enough?
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how much is enough? alright guys, i'm having some major issues that i can't straighten out myself, so i'm here to get some opinions.
I have my '02 WS6, i've put hooker long tubes, borla, electric cutout, walbro 255, SLP flowpack and a NOS wet kit.
I want more power. I haven't hooked up my nitrous yet, but i want to beable to spank a new vette on the street, a loud rumblin car, and have the nitrous as a back up. I don't want to be sprayin all the time to get by.
I was thinking a H/C package from TSP or something. I don't have a big chunk of change to spend, i'm in college. but with this power i'll need a 9", stronger driveshaft, new clutch being an M6. Which is a hell of a lot more than the H/C package itself.
so is it worth it? Or should I just stick with what I have, I mean, how much power is enough? I plan on going to the track once and awhile but I keep everything clean, so I do more street driving, car shows etc. I want to beable to pull into a car show and have people know right away that I've got something everybody else doesn't.
so whats your opinions guys?
thanks!
I have my '02 WS6, i've put hooker long tubes, borla, electric cutout, walbro 255, SLP flowpack and a NOS wet kit.
I want more power. I haven't hooked up my nitrous yet, but i want to beable to spank a new vette on the street, a loud rumblin car, and have the nitrous as a back up. I don't want to be sprayin all the time to get by.
I was thinking a H/C package from TSP or something. I don't have a big chunk of change to spend, i'm in college. but with this power i'll need a 9", stronger driveshaft, new clutch being an M6. Which is a hell of a lot more than the H/C package itself.
so is it worth it? Or should I just stick with what I have, I mean, how much power is enough? I plan on going to the track once and awhile but I keep everything clean, so I do more street driving, car shows etc. I want to beable to pull into a car show and have people know right away that I've got something everybody else doesn't.
so whats your opinions guys?
thanks!
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You shouldn't have to upgrade your driveline for a heads and cam package. Maybe nitrous, but not so much if you don't try to launch with slicks on your car. I wouldn't set spanking a new vette as a goal with your car while being a college student. The new vette is $70k plus, and money buys power. It's a tall order to keep up with while a student. Study hard, get good grades, get a good job, then for the rest of your life you can own vettes instead of trying to spank'em.
By the way, I wouldn't take it back, but 500 rwhp is a challlange for street driving. You don't get to use it much, and you don't beat anyone out of the hole, thats for sure.
By the way, I wouldn't take it back, but 500 rwhp is a challlange for street driving. You don't get to use it much, and you don't beat anyone out of the hole, thats for sure.
To play you gotta pay. I feel the same way about the bottle, i want it all the time. You can start saving or buy one piece at a time, start with the rear end since it sounds like you like to drive the **** out of it.
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well i don't expect to spank a new C6 Z06, but i want the c5's to worry
i know i'll own vettes in the future, i'm an engineering student, so hopefully things will work out well. but i am sick of going to the track and getting slamed by a cobra etc
and i wouldn't really say i drive the **** out of my car. if anything i really only like to whip it around corners, I don't slam on it that much since i know the rear is pretty weak
i know i'll own vettes in the future, i'm an engineering student, so hopefully things will work out well. but i am sick of going to the track and getting slamed by a cobra etc
and i wouldn't really say i drive the **** out of my car. if anything i really only like to whip it around corners, I don't slam on it that much since i know the rear is pretty weak
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Or should I just stick with what I have, I mean, how much power is enough?
I say just do the same, enjoy the power you have now and try to make the most of it. Set a goal, save up for it and buy it. 
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you having a m6, putting 450-480 that h/c packages give you, you get a sticky tire and race from a dig, dump the clutch.. you can def kiss that 10 bolt bye bye.. that's why a lot of stock 10 bolt guys that arent super careful, race from rolls.
get a nice cam like the TSP MS3 and you'll be around 370-380 and with full bolt ons, you'll have around 390-400 to the wheels.. that is plenty and the cam like nitrous.. look at TRMIN8R's video's.. that is all he has is that cam, 3.73's, all bolt ons, 200 shot, m6 car.. dynoed 417 off bottle, 61X on bottle. You can also use the LG G5x4 cam like I will be, its suppose to be the biggest cam usable with stock heads/bottom end before fly cutting pistons... (no specs released to the public though)
get a nice cam like the TSP MS3 and you'll be around 370-380 and with full bolt ons, you'll have around 390-400 to the wheels.. that is plenty and the cam like nitrous.. look at TRMIN8R's video's.. that is all he has is that cam, 3.73's, all bolt ons, 200 shot, m6 car.. dynoed 417 off bottle, 61X on bottle. You can also use the LG G5x4 cam like I will be, its suppose to be the biggest cam usable with stock heads/bottom end before fly cutting pistons... (no specs released to the public though)
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Originally Posted by dcdime
you having a m6, putting 450-480 that h/c packages give you, you get a sticky tire and race from a dig, dump the clutch.. you can def kiss that 10 bolt bye bye.. that's why a lot of stock 10 bolt guys that arent super careful, race from rolls.
get a nice cam like the TSP MS3 and you'll be around 370-380 and with full bolt ons, you'll have around 390-400 to the wheels.. that is plenty and the cam like nitrous.. look at TRMIN8R's video's.. that is all he has is that cam, 3.73's, all bolt ons, 200 shot, m6 car.. dynoed 417 off bottle, 61X on bottle. You can also use the LG G5x4 cam like I will be, its suppose to be the biggest cam usable with stock heads/bottom end before fly cutting pistons... (no specs released to the public though)
get a nice cam like the TSP MS3 and you'll be around 370-380 and with full bolt ons, you'll have around 390-400 to the wheels.. that is plenty and the cam like nitrous.. look at TRMIN8R's video's.. that is all he has is that cam, 3.73's, all bolt ons, 200 shot, m6 car.. dynoed 417 off bottle, 61X on bottle. You can also use the LG G5x4 cam like I will be, its suppose to be the biggest cam usable with stock heads/bottom end before fly cutting pistons... (no specs released to the public though)
well thats why i'm posting this. i knew i'd need a new rear end, and a 9" is like $2500. Thats more than the H/C package right there pretty much. I was looking at the TSP Torquer2, unless theres something more aggressive
You could find a used TR224 cam (or the like) and a set of TEA stage 1 heads. $1200 for cam and heads is cheap. You would then own anything under $70K at the track.
On the rear...run it until it breaks. It will break with slicks or drag radials.
Good luck.
On the rear...run it until it breaks. It will break with slicks or drag radials.
Good luck.
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Originally Posted by equandt
You could find a used TR224 cam (or the like) and a set of TEA stage 1 heads. $1200 for cam and heads is cheap. You would then own anything under $70K at the track.
On the rear...run it until it breaks. It will break with slicks or drag radials.
Good luck.
On the rear...run it until it breaks. It will break with slicks or drag radials.
Good luck.
You'll need a good clutch no matter what you do.
Buy the 9" and put in more gear. 4.10s or 4.33s or 4.56. Then throw some good tires on. Unless you are one of the rare M6 drivers who can cut a good 60' on a stock 3.42 rear, your ET will probably drop by .5 by being able to launch the car hard. Next up is a cam if you have funds left.
Buy the 9" and put in more gear. 4.10s or 4.33s or 4.56. Then throw some good tires on. Unless you are one of the rare M6 drivers who can cut a good 60' on a stock 3.42 rear, your ET will probably drop by .5 by being able to launch the car hard. Next up is a cam if you have funds left.
Get a good drivetrain and you will be cutting probably at the lowest 1.8's and running mid 7.x's with good suspension mods as well.
There are several people that have gone 12's 1/4 with no internal engine mods. then do what ragtop said about the cam last.
There are several people that have gone 12's 1/4 with no internal engine mods. then do what ragtop said about the cam last.
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what sponsor happens to have the cheapest 9"? 4.10s or 4.33s or 4.56, out of those gears, what would be the best? Wouldn't anything higher than a 4.10 be pretty bad on the street?
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Originally Posted by MetallicaMatt
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I was thinking a H/C package from TSP or something. I don't have a big chunk of change to spend, i'm in college. but with this power i'll need a 9", stronger driveshaft, new clutch being an M6. Which is a hell of a lot more than the H/C package itself.
so is it worth it? Or should I just stick with what I have, I mean, how much power is enough? I plan on going to the track once and awhile but I keep everything clean, so I do more street driving, car shows etc. I want to beable to pull into a car show and have people know right away that I've got something everybody else doesn't.
so whats your opinions guys?
thanks!
I was thinking a H/C package from TSP or something. I don't have a big chunk of change to spend, i'm in college. but with this power i'll need a 9", stronger driveshaft, new clutch being an M6. Which is a hell of a lot more than the H/C package itself.
so is it worth it? Or should I just stick with what I have, I mean, how much power is enough? I plan on going to the track once and awhile but I keep everything clean, so I do more street driving, car shows etc. I want to beable to pull into a car show and have people know right away that I've got something everybody else doesn't.
so whats your opinions guys?
thanks!
Since $$ is a concern, and you do mostly STREET driving, I'd do a cam package. Complete kits can be had for $600-700. Everyone in a parking lot will damn well know your car isn't stock with an aftermarket cam and LT headers. 
Later on as funds allow, then add heads.The stock clutch will survive on the street, but if you frequent the track, that will be another $750-1300. As long as you're not doing 3K+ drops from idle on slicks, the stock rear should survive. Higher ratio gears are actually thinner and thus more prone to breakage. I'd recommend keeping the stock ones alone.
As for when is enough power enough? When the car is so fast it can't physically stay on the ground... and then a step beyond
im kinda in the same situation as you. Im in my first year of college and want my car to be faster, and beat most of the cars. However I dont have alot of money to spend. I figure ill just build it up slowly, right now i just ordered my LT headers and f13 cam. Then later on when i get more money ill just keep building it up. No matter what no power will be enough. Im already one ahead of you though because last summer my clutch went and i got a stage 3. Id jsut do what you can afford, dont ever spend all your money because then if something breaks your screwed.
