TR224 VS Torquer 2
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I have the tr224 on a 114. It is great DD. I even have the stock TC. Just because I am not staging at every street light that I come too. The power in the lower power bands is a little more than a stock car. And it pulls like a bicth at around 4k. Makes it real easy to pass some one on the street.
p.s What's up Carlos.
p.s What's up Carlos.
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Originally Posted by SouthFL.02.SS
Aw, not much! Just wish I was still in the game! 
Give Eastside a call.. they have a cam that will suit your needs I am 100% sure of it. P.M. me and I can get more specific about it.... but with a lid, pulley, qtp headers and a catted Y pipe my car made 403 rwhp and 389 tq, thru a heavy aftermarket steel driveshaft and a 12 bolt w/ 4.10's. The driveshaft and rear pulled 12 hp from the car before the cam went in.. for comparison sake. After this weekend I can tell you what it will do with a really good set of ported LS6 heads, and it was cut with the possibility of nitrous in the future... so I'm sure the gains on the hose will be good too.. eastside does alot of nitrous cars, and knows what works with that as well.
OK I went looking and this was the best I could find to match me. He even has AFR's but it still doesnt beat my torque at all and the hp only comes after 5800 rpms. I admit its producing nice numbers, but is not as stout until 6000 rpms. Still its an improvement over version one. I guess the real test would be for me to try it in my setup and see what the results were.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/attachmen...chmentid=30732
https://ls1tech.com/forums/attachmen...chmentid=30732
HP on that dyno graph isn't doing much to impress me, especially with heads too. My dyno graph in the TQ department cam only is better, and I'm over 400hp from 5200 to 6400 rpm.. that thing doesn't even start making any HP until the motor's at almost 5500. That car probably feels like a slug until it's screaming... then you're out of rpm before you know it.. and are shifting back into dead man's land.
No thanks, I'll keep my ESP cam thank you. Oh, and by next monday, I'll have a dyno sheet to post up of what the cam looks like with good ported LS6 heads too... I'm sure it will crush that no problem.
No thanks, I'll keep my ESP cam thank you. Oh, and by next monday, I'll have a dyno sheet to post up of what the cam looks like with good ported LS6 heads too... I'm sure it will crush that no problem.
Well it sounds to me like the tr224 is a really good dd street cam that will make the power that I'm looking for, after all it is a stock bottom end and I don't want to spin it much past 6k. I went to Thunders' site and they have the three different sizes for 224's. I was thinking probably either the 224/224 112lsa OR 224/227 114lsa. What do you think? FYI: Futural offered the 230/236 113lsa and TSP offered the torquer 2. That is why I was wondering if a big cam was what I might be happier with. Do these cams sound pretty nasty as well? Any sound clips or videos? Thanks for the help!!!
If a 224ish cam is what you are considering... the one I spoke about is in a similar range.. may be somethign you want to look into.. it's only a phone call.
ls1sounds.com.. they have alot of sound bites of differnet stuff. I know my car lopes and crackles with the best of them..... no sound bite though, sorry.
ls1sounds.com.. they have alot of sound bites of differnet stuff. I know my car lopes and crackles with the best of them..... no sound bite though, sorry.
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Here is a graph of the Torquer V.2 in a 2002 Z28 with stock pulley and throttle body, LT's and Rumbler X, STOCK heads:
http://www.texas-speed.com/images/torquerresults.gif
http://www.texas-speed.com/images/torquerresults.gif
You guys with the torquer 2's, how well can you run with the tr224's on the street? Do you have to start playing catch-up towards the top end or can you hold your own down low and start pulling up top?
Originally Posted by Zach@Texas-Speed
Here is a graph of the Torquer V.2 in a 2002 Z28 with stock pulley and throttle body, LT's and Rumbler X, STOCK heads:
http://www.texas-speed.com/images/torquerresults.gif
http://www.texas-speed.com/images/torquerresults.gif
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From: BFE
Originally Posted by BNKBRKR
You guys with the torquer 2's, how well can you run with the tr224's on the street? Do you have to start playing catch-up towards the top end or can you hold your own down low and start pulling up top?
COMBO
TR224 needs certain supporting mods and TSP 232/234 needs others.
Maximize COMBO on both and the bigger cam will eat the TR224.
For instance: if the TR224 runs the best times with X stall and gears, TSP 232/234 will require a higher stall and tighter gears.
Now 1 to 1 the TR224 will make more trq under the curve (therefore requires less stall and less gears to get into its powerband)
The same applies to M6 but there is no stall (you have a clutch)
Here's my dyno graph with the TR224 112LSA with 3.73 gears and mac midlengths with JPR stage 2 heads. I put down 427/401 and my mac ypipe was total crap (<2" in some bends) Since then I've added QTP LT's and should be another 10-15 hp on top if not more, especially if you look at how my torque dropped off after 5500 rpm. In addition, my tune at the time wasn't optimal. So with a little better tuning, and the long tubes, 450/415 is a realistic goal with the 'baby' 224/224 cam.
Originally Posted by oange ss
good numbers, but you'd be hard pressed to squeeze 450rwhp out of that cam
Predator-Z, so my 3200 stall and factory 3.23 gears would probably work better with the tr224 right? I don't plan on doing much else to my car for a while....maybe heads OR a 12 bolt w/3:73s but I haven't decided. Would you recommend the 224/224 or the 224/227 considering that I'm spraying?
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From: BFE
Originally Posted by BNKBRKR
Predator-Z, so my 3200 stall and factory 3.23 gears would probably work better with the tr224 right? I don't plan on doing much else to my car for a while....maybe heads OR a 12 bolt w/3:73s but I haven't decided. Would you recommend the 224/224 or the 224/227 considering that I'm spraying?
But the difference betweeen the 2 will be minute. (~5>8rwhp)
Since you still have stock heads a 224/230 would even be better.
Something like:
224/230 .581"/.592", 114lsa+1
Or
224/230 .568"/.573", 114lsa