TR224 VS Torquer 2
TR224 VS Torquer 2 Hey guys! Got an '02 SS with mods in sig. I'm looking at doing a cam swap next, I had a recomendation to run the torquer 2, and it seems to make good numbers on mostly stock cars such as mine. But I look on TR's sight and their 224 cam is making almost the same numbers! What I'm looking for is close to 400 on the motor, but it is my daily driver. I would like to have a cam that sounds nasty of course but I want it to be able to back the sound up with performance. I know the car runs good now, (before the headers and spraying a 100 shot...and a bit of a surging problem it's ran a best of 11.7) but I just want a little more, or as much as I can get with a cam. Would you recommend something else? It seems like people recommend something like the 224 or the MS3 and nothing in between, what do you guys think?
I went with the MS3 myself. The MS3 will also clear without having to flycut. It is a pretty big *** cam...but it still maintains pretty good drivabilty with a good tune. My vote is for the MS3. I see that you spray a 150 shot; the MS3 LOVES spray 
If you want to go a step down then go with the TSP 233 239 or the Torquer II.
If you want to go a step down then go with the TSP 233 239 or the Torquer II.
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Think of a torquer 2 as a TR224 on steroids.
The TR224 on a 112 lsa will lope nicely. A torquer 2 will lope nicely.
Torquer 2 on your application would be ideal. You may need more stall for an MS3.
The TR224 on a 112 lsa will lope nicely. A torquer 2 will lope nicely.
Torquer 2 on your application would be ideal. You may need more stall for an MS3.
I've not seen a cam yet beat the tr224 in torque. My rec is the tr224 112 lsa. ITs torque curve is tabletop and nothing out pulls it from what I've seen to 5800 rpms. I'm putting down 440 rwhp and 420 rwtq with a tr224 and heads.
Originally Posted by 99blancoSS
I've not seen a cam yet beat the tr224 in torque. My rec is the tr224 112 lsa. ITs torque curve is tabletop and nothing out pulls it from what I've seen to 5800 rpms. I'm putting down 440 rwhp and 420 rwtq with a tr224 and heads.
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Originally Posted by 35th SS
I see your an A4.I recommend the tr224on 112lsa.check sig.Im only using a little 3000yank converter.no dyno#s until now just track times.good luck.
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When I did all my bolt ons, the car seemed louder, and maybe a little faster. No great SOTP
I installed the TR224 a year later, and I could tell the SOTP. It made more of a differances that the bolts ons. Ofcourse, the bolt ons enhance the TR224.
I didnt want a wild cam, and the TR224 seems to fit my needs. I wanted a convertible that can hang with a ZO6. I guess the new ZO6 crapped on that idea!!!
I installed the TR224 a year later, and I could tell the SOTP. It made more of a differances that the bolts ons. Ofcourse, the bolt ons enhance the TR224.
I didnt want a wild cam, and the TR224 seems to fit my needs. I wanted a convertible that can hang with a ZO6. I guess the new ZO6 crapped on that idea!!!
Well in the future, maybe even this summer I am wanting to swap heads on it. I'm afraid that if I go with something like the tr224 it might be alright for now, but with heads it would benefit a lot more from something like the Torquer 2, and of course I don't really want to go replacing parts that are still "new." I'm sure a lot of you can agree with me that money ain't exactly easy to come by. So I'm just looking for something that will work good for now AND later.
Originally Posted by BNKBRKR
Well in the future, maybe even this summer I am wanting to swap heads on it. I'm afraid that if I go with something like the tr224 it might be alright for now, but with heads it would benefit a lot more from something like the Torquer 2, and of course I don't really want to go replacing parts that are still "new." I'm sure a lot of you can agree with me that money ain't exactly easy to come by. So I'm just looking for something that will work good for now AND later.
Originally Posted by 99blancoSS
Wow, I'm impressed. Is it nosiy at all?
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Originally Posted by 99blancoSS
Are you nuts? Look at my sig. Thats a tr224 and prc heads. 440 hp and 420tq. You think your going to better than that? You might eek a little more peak hp after 6k rpms which wouild be good if your at the track all the time, but for a dd your leaving some power on the table when you drive it on the streets and I've yet to see its torque get beat. Don't be drawn in by the big duration and lift numbers, look at real world results. 224/228 is putting nice numbers out as well.
Same as the numbers my old setup puts down are not the norm (480rwhp with TSP231/237+TEA 1.5's)
A TR224 is a great cam, it will make great power under the curve, but I beat a few 224 cam only cars when my car was cam only with the 231/237- always pulled away up top- trapped 118mph cam-only, full weight, daily driven setup (atock 17's up front, 17" DR's out back). Those lazy ol' lobes sure liked to rev- kept pulling up to my 6900 rev limiter.
Originally Posted by SouthFL.02.SS
Your numbers aren't the norm
Same as the numbers my old setup puts down are not the norm (480rwhp with TSP231/237+TEA 1.5's)
A TR224 is a great cam, it will make great power under the curve, but I beat a few 224 cam only cars when my car was cam only with the 231/237- always pulled away up top- trapped 118mph cam-only, full weight, daily driven setup (atock 17's up front, 17" DR's out back). Those lazy ol' lobes sure liked to rev- kept pulling up to my 6900 rev limiter.
Same as the numbers my old setup puts down are not the norm (480rwhp with TSP231/237+TEA 1.5's)
A TR224 is a great cam, it will make great power under the curve, but I beat a few 224 cam only cars when my car was cam only with the 231/237- always pulled away up top- trapped 118mph cam-only, full weight, daily driven setup (atock 17's up front, 17" DR's out back). Those lazy ol' lobes sure liked to rev- kept pulling up to my 6900 rev limiter.
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Blanco, I agree with you. My car was an M6 and spent much of its time flat on its face (until I did the QTP HVMC LT's and FAST 90- that's when I got some good response under the curve), even with 4.10's it needed to be revved for response- but that's when manual gear selection and watching my shiftlight came into play. I didn't mind hitting 6800rpm everyday on the way to work. The car was a screamer, but that's the setup I wanted. Anyhow, as said, the TR224 is a great daily driven cam, with a broad powerband. I think the guys at TSP had it in mind, when desiging the 233/233 torquer cam, to also provide a broad powerband, along with some upper end pull. They introduced it as a cam that would give up some peak power to the old 231/237 (not by much) in exchange for some more midrange.
Originally Posted by SouthFL.02.SS
Blanco, I agree with you. My car was an M6 and spent much of its time flat on its face (until I did the QTP HVMC LT's and FAST 90- that's when I got some good response under the curve), even with 4.10's it needed to be revved for response- but that's when manual gear selection and watching my shiftlight came into play. I didn't mind hitting 6800rpm everyday on the way to work. The car was a screamer, but that's the setup I wanted. Anyhow, as said, the TR224 is a great daily driven cam, with a broad powerband. I think the guys at TSP had it in mind, when desiging the 233/233 torquer cam, to also provide a broad powerband, along with some upper end pull. They introduced it as a cam that would give up some peak power to the old 231/237 (not by much) in exchange for some more midrange.
I'm waiting for my custom cam order to get back to me with specs. Just want to see what they recommend. As far as my numbers go I really think my torque is enhanced by the Stainless Works lt's. They use 1 5/8 primaries instead of 1 3/4. I think it creates a better vacumm and thusly enhancing performance.