f14\15 vs g5x4 vs ms3 vs trex
12-06-2005, 01:32 AM
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im sorry, i wouldn't mill heads and have to flycut pistons.. you can work the heads to flow more power without milling them...
anywho..
i run a 4000 converter and a F14 on a 114 lsa... with this cam, you wont nothing less then 3800 imo... unless ur spraying you wont no less then 4400 with any of these cams
for a 3500 stall i reccomend a f11, or a tr224... the tsp 228 cam is also nice...
but really choppy idle wont mean **** if that 3500 dont get her in the powerband...
trust me i know from experience.. car ran like **** with the low stall i had.. i didn't listen to anyone, and had to get a second bigger stall.. i would have gone 4600 but i still might spray the car
goodluck
anywho..
i run a 4000 converter and a F14 on a 114 lsa... with this cam, you wont nothing less then 3800 imo... unless ur spraying you wont no less then 4400 with any of these cams
for a 3500 stall i reccomend a f11, or a tr224... the tsp 228 cam is also nice...
but really choppy idle wont mean **** if that 3500 dont get her in the powerband...
trust me i know from experience.. car ran like **** with the low stall i had.. i didn't listen to anyone, and had to get a second bigger stall.. i would have gone 4600 but i still might spray the car
goodluck
12-06-2005, 01:35 AM
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or if ur going to try and run a big big cam and milled heads.. and spend all that money.. why not spend 800 on some pistons and rod bolts while ur at it and clear fine!
12-06-2005, 02:56 PM
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Why is everyone so stuck on milled heads?
I ran AFR 205's unmilled (out of the box)(10.1 compression), G5X-4 , MLS gaskets.
NO FLYCUTTING.
It made 445 rwhp through the mufflers, TH400 unlocked, steel driveshaft, 9"(4.30)
on 29 inch slicks on a 5500 stall converter.
Think about that for a while.
I ran AFR 205's unmilled (out of the box)(10.1 compression), G5X-4 , MLS gaskets.
NO FLYCUTTING.
It made 445 rwhp through the mufflers, TH400 unlocked, steel driveshaft, 9"(4.30)
on 29 inch slicks on a 5500 stall converter.
Think about that for a while.
12-06-2005, 03:03 PM
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from everybody ive talked to they said youd be more reliable makeing that same power with miled heads and a smaller cam .. but im no expert just passing along the messge ive been told
12-06-2005, 03:06 PM
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OK IM GETTING THESE HEADS SO WHAT CAM WILL GET ME THE BEST TIMESLIPS WITH THESE HEADS... I WAS TOLD F13 BY A FEW PEOPLE BUT WHAT YOU ALL THINK... I WAS TRING TO AVOID FLY CUTTING WOULD A TSP 233\239 MAKE GOOD POWER OR TOO BIG FOR THESE SIZE VALVES?
Absolute Speed stage 2.5, 5.3 heads with rev 2.055 - 1.60 valves titanium retainers Comp 977 springs good for .630 lift.
Absolute Speed stage 2.5, 5.3 heads with rev 2.055 - 1.60 valves titanium retainers Comp 977 springs good for .630 lift.
12-07-2005, 01:35 PM
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You can buy whatever you want, it's your car.
You want alot of power/ fast timeslips but wanna keep a 3500 stall?
You wanna put in a 233/239 cam with 2.055 valves on a 5.3 milled head and NOT flycut?
Good Luck
I just think it's funny that I show people how to make power and go fast, and
they make up thier own combo.God Bless.
You want alot of power/ fast timeslips but wanna keep a 3500 stall?
You wanna put in a 233/239 cam with 2.055 valves on a 5.3 milled head and NOT flycut?
Good Luck
I just think it's funny that I show people how to make power and go fast, and
they make up thier own combo.God Bless.
12-07-2005, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by The Juggernaut
You can buy whatever you want, it's your car.
You want alot of power/ fast timeslips but wanna keep a 3500 stall?
You wanna put in a 233/239 cam with 2.055 valves on a 5.3 milled head and NOT flycut?
Good Luck
I just think it's funny that I show people how to make power and go fast, and
they make up thier own combo.God Bless.
You want alot of power/ fast timeslips but wanna keep a 3500 stall?
You wanna put in a 233/239 cam with 2.055 valves on a 5.3 milled head and NOT flycut?
Good Luck
I just think it's funny that I show people how to make power and go fast, and
they make up thier own combo.God Bless.
12-07-2005, 04:35 PM
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Im Not Saying Your Worng By Anymeans I Was Juut Told That Was Too Much For My Car If I Wanted To Use It For A Street\strip Car.. A Reputable Local Shop Said It Would Surge Alot And Another Freind Of Mine Simply Said Its Overkill For My Car.. For A Vareity Of Reasons.. Also My Current Alternative Is Going To Cost Less Than 3k Out The Door ... This Is All Not To Say Your Setup Would Run Better Et's But I Think You Would Agree There Is Definate Tradeoffs Here Between My Two Options..
12-07-2005, 06:10 PM
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1. Apples to apples, you are NOT going to find it cheaper. (I don't care, other people want it)
2. You do NOT know the specs on the G5X-4.You are talking about running basically the same size cam.
3. You want to run a bigger valve on a smaller chambered head.
4. Surging can be ironed out by the tuner.
5. You want MORE compression, and my set up is "overkill"?
I hope everything works out for you.
205cc runner, 66cc chamber(10.1 compression) on 93 octane makes 445rwhp
through the mufflers on a big tire, big stall, unlocked TH400.
But that's fine..your friends and shop are right.
2. You do NOT know the specs on the G5X-4.You are talking about running basically the same size cam.
3. You want to run a bigger valve on a smaller chambered head.
4. Surging can be ironed out by the tuner.
5. You want MORE compression, and my set up is "overkill"?
I hope everything works out for you.
205cc runner, 66cc chamber(10.1 compression) on 93 octane makes 445rwhp
through the mufflers on a big tire, big stall, unlocked TH400.
But that's fine..your friends and shop are right.
12-07-2005, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by FormulaFire
Show me how to make power and go fast.. Take me under your wing..
12-07-2005, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 4thGenCamaro
And, the G5X4 is not nearly as big as everyone thinks it is 
Not because you're wrong, but because you've got Juggernauts sig as your avatar! Copycat.I've got a TSP Torquer II in my A4 (112+2, idles rough). While I haven't had much time to play cause I blew my trans, I'm having a tough time getting this bad boy to idle how I want it to (idle surging, searching, etc). I recommend to the thread starter that he actually goes for a ride with somebody that has a cam he's looking for before getting in over your head.
I wish I had someone around me that I knew that I could compare to. I probably would have had TSP custom grind me a similar cam on a 114.
12-07-2005, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 4thGenCamaro
I love people like you. Do some testing yourself and don't copy off of someone else's setup. Too many people have done that. Dragoholic copied everyone else's setup, and never tested one part out himself. Dyno Numbers and Track Numbers are two different things. Let me let you in on a little secret of mine that I have never told anyone til now. I went 11.40s@117mph with 310hp. Stock Internals and through a 4000 converter and 4.10 rear end with ET Drags.
12-07-2005, 08:25 PM
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Yeah, it is okay to get ideas, but some people have gone so far as to get the same exact converter, cam, heads, trans, rear end, tire size, etc. The beauty of LS1s is that you can come up with different setups and still yield great results.
Having an automatic is nice. Just stall, stab, and hold on. And it does help that my car weighs 2900lb
Having an automatic is nice. Just stall, stab, and hold on. And it does help that my car weighs 2900lb
12-07-2005, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by kpowr82
Don't mean to hijack, but after I read your post about not copying somebody elses setup I had to laugh Not because you're wrong, but because you've got Juggernauts sig as your avatar! Copycat.
I've got a TSP Torquer II in my A4 (112+2, idles rough). While I haven't had much time to play cause I blew my trans, I'm having a tough time getting this bad boy to idle how I want it to (idle surging, searching, etc). I recommend to the thread starter that he actually goes for a ride with somebody that has a cam he's looking for before getting in over your head.
I wish I had someone around me that I knew that I could compare to. I probably would have had TSP custom grind me a similar cam on a 114.
Not because you're wrong, but because you've got Juggernauts sig as your avatar! Copycat.I've got a TSP Torquer II in my A4 (112+2, idles rough). While I haven't had much time to play cause I blew my trans, I'm having a tough time getting this bad boy to idle how I want it to (idle surging, searching, etc). I recommend to the thread starter that he actually goes for a ride with somebody that has a cam he's looking for before getting in over your head.
I wish I had someone around me that I knew that I could compare to. I probably would have had TSP custom grind me a similar cam on a 114.
As far as your tuning issues in your auto: I had a A4 with a cam on a 112+2, and all I had to do was change the idle, closed throttle, and the raised airflow settings, using HP Tuners, and it idled like stock. (except the lopeyness of the cam of course) Driveability is all in the tune. You could have a cam on a 108+0 LSA, and as long as you tune it right, it will idle fine.
12-07-2005, 10:50 PM
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i was just asking about a 233\239.... im actually gonna go with a f13 cam based on allen's advise.. the setup im looking at ran 11.4 in a 3700lb+ driver camaro on a 1.7 60' and a n2o tune and smaller cam (fm-11).. when sprayed i believe this same car did 10.7 on a 100 shot and fm-11 cam (99% sure).. this all sounds good to me yea you ran better et's with a lighter car better 60' and much more expensive parts that would also require me to change springs at every stoplight.. i mean you yourself said "70 passes NO STREET MILES" why no street miles ???? Look im not arguing your setup is better for the strip but it is still overkill for a car that spends 99.9% of its life drivin round town
o yea mike norris was the guy who told me it would surge and (glen) redline is the one who told me its overkill along with 4 or 5 other guys who are not on this board actually even the reps at lg told me the x3 is the biggest id want to go and that i should mill the heads ... ovbiously your setup makes power but thats not the only factor to consider...
o yea mike norris was the guy who told me it would surge and (glen) redline is the one who told me its overkill along with 4 or 5 other guys who are not on this board actually even the reps at lg told me the x3 is the biggest id want to go and that i should mill the heads ... ovbiously your setup makes power but thats not the only factor to consider...
12-08-2005, 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by 4thGenCamaro
If I could have a picture of Juggers genitals as my Avatar, I would, but that is not allowed.
As far as your tuning issues in your auto: I had a A4 with a cam on a 112+2, and all I had to do was change the idle, closed throttle, and the raised airflow settings, using HP Tuners, and it idled like stock. (except the lopeyness of the cam of course) Driveability is all in the tune. You could have a cam on a 108+0 LSA, and as long as you tune it right, it will idle fine.