TSP Torquer 2 too big for a Daily Driver?
TSP Torquer 2 too big for a Daily Driver? Im looking at getting a TSP Torquer 2 on a 114 LSA. My car is a daily driver and dont want any surging or anything. I have a SY3500 tc, LT's, and stock 3.23 gears. So i think that dept. is ok, just worried that it maybe a lil too big. Some ppl say go bigger but im not sure i wanna go any bigger than this. What you guys think? Too big, just right drivablilty? thanks guys!!
that's the cam that TSP recommended to me with some stage 2.5 heads when I told them I wanted heads/cam for my 80 mile/day DD w/3500 stall. It will be a good sized cam but I think it will be just fine for daily duties, and many people seem to be doing it
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We are in the same boat. I am still debating between this cam and CheaTR cam.
Kinda taking side to CheaTR because of its near perfect drivability, stealth and it works with stock exhaust manifolds. Also, CheaTR will need no tuning as I learned.
Kinda taking side to CheaTR because of its near perfect drivability, stealth and it works with stock exhaust manifolds. Also, CheaTR will need no tuning as I learned.
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I run that cam with PRC 2.5/5.3L and a VIG 3200.
232/234, .595/.598 113+0
Very good in traffic (gas consumption went up), superb on HWY (Gas consumption went down).
If you drive it easy (normal) in traffic it is surprisingly tame. The only thing that makes it surge a bit, is off idle abrubt acceleration, followed by sudden stop. Only then does it hunt a bit for idle (like 2>3 seconds).
A good tune is what makes it or brake it and I'm still fine tuning, but I'm really impressed, especially that I swapped from a Stealth II cam that was very docile.
232/234, .595/.598 113+0
Very good in traffic (gas consumption went up), superb on HWY (Gas consumption went down).
If you drive it easy (normal) in traffic it is surprisingly tame. The only thing that makes it surge a bit, is off idle abrubt acceleration, followed by sudden stop. Only then does it hunt a bit for idle (like 2>3 seconds).
A good tune is what makes it or brake it and I'm still fine tuning, but I'm really impressed, especially that I swapped from a Stealth II cam that was very docile.
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
LSA is one way to move the power band (range) of the cam around. Also it changes valve events along with advance in grind and can help PTV clearances.
So you think a 114 lsa would do well? how does it affect the sound?
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The sound depends on overlap, idle speed and type of exhaust.
I can make a 116 cam idle like a mini dragster.
Sound doesn't make power.
112 will make power sooner and sound meaner but will be more difficult to tune and will give you less idle vacuum which is really needed in A4.More overlap
114 will make power later, sound smoother but give you plenty vacuum.Less overlap.
I went 113+0 to have a little of both (not to mention comfy PTV margins on my 2.04/1.575 valves)
I can make a 116 cam idle like a mini dragster.
Sound doesn't make power.
112 will make power sooner and sound meaner but will be more difficult to tune and will give you less idle vacuum which is really needed in A4.More overlap
114 will make power later, sound smoother but give you plenty vacuum.Less overlap.
I went 113+0 to have a little of both (not to mention comfy PTV margins on my 2.04/1.575 valves)
Originally Posted by bluecamaroz28
We are in the same boat. I am still debating between this cam and CheaTR cam.
Kinda taking side to CheaTR because of its near perfect drivability, stealth and it works with stock exhaust manifolds. Also, CheaTR will need no tuning as I learned.
Kinda taking side to CheaTR because of its near perfect drivability, stealth and it works with stock exhaust manifolds. Also, CheaTR will need no tuning as I learned.
Predator I think meant to say that a 112LSA will have more mid range and very strong top end charge.
A 114LSA will be more low/mid range with a top end that is a bit softer than a 112LSA.
112LSA will have an aggressive idle and suck up a little mpg.
I daily drive a TSP 233/239 112LSA .600/.603" lift cam (AFR 205's/LS6 intake/1 7/8" headers) with 3:90 gears/M6. From a start it isn't docile and needs a little gas to get going (I also have an alum flywheel).. but once moving it drives mellow at part throttle. At WOT above 4,000rpm it pulls hard to my 7100rpm redline. I like the cam a lot... may switch to a 228/228 114LSA over winter though to get a few mpg back and more mid range (I road race).
Higher duration cams 230*+ need deeper gears (ie 3:73/3:90/4:10/4:56).
A 114LSA will be more low/mid range with a top end that is a bit softer than a 112LSA.
112LSA will have an aggressive idle and suck up a little mpg.
I daily drive a TSP 233/239 112LSA .600/.603" lift cam (AFR 205's/LS6 intake/1 7/8" headers) with 3:90 gears/M6. From a start it isn't docile and needs a little gas to get going (I also have an alum flywheel).. but once moving it drives mellow at part throttle. At WOT above 4,000rpm it pulls hard to my 7100rpm redline. I like the cam a lot... may switch to a 228/228 114LSA over winter though to get a few mpg back and more mid range (I road race).
Higher duration cams 230*+ need deeper gears (ie 3:73/3:90/4:10/4:56).
GNX, you have it backwards.
112LSA has a narrower powerband and makes peak power sooner than a 114LSA. The tighter the LSA, the quicker peak power is reached and the narrower the powerband, with more overlap than a bigger LSA.
112LSA has a narrower powerband and makes peak power sooner than a 114LSA. The tighter the LSA, the quicker peak power is reached and the narrower the powerband, with more overlap than a bigger LSA.
the torquer two is supposed to have a rougher idle than say a f13 cam. it probably gets worse gas mileage as well due to more overlap. futral cam are supposed to be one of the best at having very good driveability while having great power. i know there is a lot of debate over which is better the torquer 2 or the f13, but they seem to put out the same amount of power while the f13 is two degrees smaller in size. i would go with a futral cam.
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Torquer V2 is FM 14 (though FM14 has more lift)
FM14 is on Cam Motion lobes with ramps of 50 intake and 51 exhaust IIRC.
Torquer V2 is XE-R with ramps of 49.
TroubledWine3 has got what I said correctly.
FM14 is on Cam Motion lobes with ramps of 50 intake and 51 exhaust IIRC.
Torquer V2 is XE-R with ramps of 49.
TroubledWine3 has got what I said correctly.
I have a 228/228 with 112 LSA and it comes to life at around 3500rpms. Its an alright cam, but I want more power so I might have to go with something bigger and with more lift. But Predator is right, my little cam has a great lope at idle with that LSA!
Here is a link to it idleing and revving!
http://media.putfile.com/Jons-Vette-w-LGs
Here is a link to it idleing and revving!
http://media.putfile.com/Jons-Vette-w-LGs
yeah the futral cams are more expensive and they dont have really good deals on cam packages like tsp has. but i like that futral has a lot of on the shelf cams, im sure tsp could do a custom grind but that would probably take longer to get it.
I have been running the torquer cam for about 13,000 miles as a dailey driver. It is all in the tune. The car takes a about 15-20 seconds to find the idle when dead cold in the morning. a couple of revs on the gas and it fine. But outside of that it is a pretty good dailey driver. I run 4.10's in my car so the cam likes that a lot. It pulls real strong from 3500 to the 6800 RPM red line. I like it a lot and it sounds bad *** at idle. I know it will be even better when I take off the stock heads next month.
