i daily drive it and doesnt see much track time, but it will in the summer. mods are in my sig. i am narrowed down to the TR224 112, TSP Torquer 2, or FM13. help me out here guys

 

That Tr224 will be great for a DD..

 

i would shoot for the tsp torquer 2, the tr224 wouldn't be bad either.

 

My TR224 is a great DD cam. With a good tune drives 98% like the stock cam. Ample power everywhere. Lowend and midrange is sweet. IMO anything larger than 228 duration needs more gearing than the stock 3.42s can handle. Sure a large cam is driveable w 3.42s but the amount of clutch slipping at stopsigns and time it takes to get to the meat of the powerband will get old very quick and you'll be wanting lower gearing.

 

if i go with the tr 224 i am afraid it wont be big enough or powerful enough i defenately dont want to buy one then wish i woulda went bigger

 

here's the school of thought that was told to me, and I did not follow it:

Fine the cam you think is perfect for you, Then go one bigger.

I didnt follow it, and im hungry for a new cam.

I have the TR224. Great cam, but since I bought it 2 years ago. So many other street cams have come out .

 

im really leanin toward the torquer 2, anyone runnin this?

 

ttt...

 

WHat makes you say that? Here are some numbers of a fm13 vs a tr224. The tr224 out pulls it all the way to 5800 rpms then the fm13 peak by 10 more hp. Unlss you running your car at 600 rpm and higher your not gonna out pull the tr224. Also the fm13 never beats it in torque. The torquer cam will do the same but will produce more torque than the fm13 but all the power is gonna be past 5800 rpms as well. The bigger the cam the latter the power, which is ok at the track but not ideal for a street driven car. Get the tr224 on a 112 lsa. My numbers are in my sig. Peak numbers dont mean squat, in a DD car

tr224 fm13
rpms hp tq hp tq
2700 - 170, 331 .. 163, 313
2800 - 181, 338 .. 167, 313
2900 - 189, 342 .. 172, 313
3000 - 200, 348 .. 182, 316
3100 - 209, 355 .. 187, 319
3200 - 219, 360 .. 200, 327
3300 - 229, 365 .. 210, 333
3400 - 238, 368 .. 219, 338
3500 - 245, 369 .. 227, 341
3600 - 254, 371 .. 237, 345
3700 - 263, 374 .. 246, 348
3800 - 273, 376 .. 253, 350
3900 - 279, 377 .. 262, 353
4000 - 288, 377 .. 270, 355
4100 - 296, 378 .. 278, 356
4200 - 303, 379 .. 285, 357
4300 - 310, 379 .. 293, 358
4400 - 319, 380 .. 301, 359
4500 - 327, 383 .. 309, 361
4600 - 339, 385 .. 319, 364
4700 - 346, 387 .. 330, 367
4800 - 353, 387 .. 338, 370
4900 - 362, 388 .. 346, 372
5000 - 368, 387 .. 354, 372
5100 - 374, 385 .. 361, 371
5200 - 379, 383 .. 366, 370
5300 - 384, 380 .. 371, 368
5400 - 389, 377 .. 378, 367
5500 - 392, 375 .. 383, 367
5600 - 395, 371 .. 390, 365

line graph goes beyond 5600 rpms, this was a print out of the numbers. I'm sure I dont have to convince anyone the fm13 had more peak.


Here let me break it down for you:
at 4000rpms - the tr224 is putting down 288hp, and 377 ft#'s of torque .. the fm 13 is putting down 270hp, and 355ft #'s of torque. The fm13 has 18 less hp and 22 ft #'s less torque. Which is the better cam at the rpm range? That is what you need to consider. At what rpm range are you going to drive your car and where do you want your power. Some say (with experience)rods bolts are suspect after 6500 rpms. Perosnaly I dont know, I rev limit at 6300 rpms. Dont need to buy a new botton end just yet.

 

Good info. I'd be curious to see the numbers from 5700-up although you said the FM13 eventually beats the TR224 and I believe you. Also, do you have dyno graphs? And this was on the same car I take it, with tuning for each cam?

 

The fm 13 beats it by 10 hp after 6000 rpms but never in torque. The cars above are a 99 SS and 01 ws6. Both modded almost exactly identical. I might be able to get the graph from the tuner. Also those numbers are on a mustang dyno within days of each other under same weather conditions tuned by the same person. the 99 SS has the tr224

 

thanks a lot man awesome info , do u happen to have one of those nifty charts on a torquer 2?

 

well nvmd im an idiot, u already said it would be past 6000 rpms so nvmd, ill prolly go ahead and get the tr224, i just hope it doesnt sound stock through a catted y and a hooker exhaust. i have a cutout just in case tho

 

No I dont but Jason at TSP had sent me a good graph of the newest version of the T2. It just didnt have an overlay to compare it to another cam. I will say this though, it was a very impressive graph, the best I've ever seen of their torquer cam. It was thier newest version. It was very solid and I think it put up very similar numbers to mine, but a little further in the rpm cycle. Jason at TSP. Email him or call him, he gets a lot of mail. If I had to choose between the fm13 and the t2 I'd take the t2 that I saw. The fm13 is very popular and a great cam, but its not the end all of cams that everyone makes it out to be. You get a lot of friends of friends on here pluggin for their friends and of course everyone will say what they did is best. The sponsors I used are in my sig as well. You wont go wrong with anyone of them.

All my experience and what I built my car for is a daily driver. If I had a drag queen she would be built totally different. Mot likely a trex w/433's, auto instead of a standard, big *** stall, hals and m/t's, direct port nitrous setup, etc.

 

people notice it. I get strangers at lights complimenting it. I doesnt thump like an old school bb cam so if your looking for a radical lope this wont do it. But if your looking for performance then ok. The fm13 pro'lly has a bigger lope but you know the rest of the story already so... its a decision to make. Check out Jason at Texas Speed and the T2 I'm talking about before you buy. It might only be 500 rpms difference.

 

well i dont want nothin radical, but i defenately want some noticable lope. the tr224 is the best cam lower in the rpms from all the dyno charts ive looked at so i think im sold.

 

after youput the cam into the newer cars with thecomputers, what do you have to do tomake it run right?

 

Keep the idle at the stock rpms on a 112LSA and she'll lope pretty nice. I liked the way my car idled at 875rpms so I have it set there and it's not too lopey through cats. You can control the lope alot by adjusting idle speed.

 

yea thats what ive been readin