oange ss

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I know this has been beat to death, but i cant make up my mind to which cam to get F11, F13 or TSP Torquer 2...current mods listed below. I want some driveablilty,i dont want to have to rev to the moon to make power and I want 6 gear to still be useable on the highway. Ill probably be gettin 3.73 soon which should help with a bigger cam, but Futral said the minimum they recommend for the F13 is 3.90. My car isnt necassarily a DD but i do drive it as much as i can when the weather is nice with an occasional trip to the track. Any input or fact based advice would be greatly appreciated. TIA


stock short block
TR224/.563
PRC Stg 2.5 heads
Hooker longtubes
SLP U/D pulley
Shaner S2 t-body
75-150 CF wet kit

SLP4CamaroSS

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sorry this doesnt help you but i got a question i was looking into the tr224 do u like it i was thinking that or the F11 if u can help me out

oange ss

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yes i like it, it is the pinnacle street cam..but i think i need a little more with the heads

SLP4CamaroSS

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i have a friend that had the f11 then went to f13 i think its black02ss or something like that he is on the forum usually in the pcm section

SUTTERERMAN85

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go with the F13. i am running a G5X1 which is a 228/232 on a 112 and its pretty sweet. i drive this hoe everyday and home on the weekends sometimes about 120 mi. can run in 6th all the way down th 50mph and then up to whatever. kinda wish i had gone bigger.

99blancoSS

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tr224 112 lsa , heads will only enhance its ouput. My numbers are in sig. Side by side with a smilar car modded almost indentical but with an fm13 my car outpulls it all the way to 5800 rpms by about 20hp and tq. UNLESS you are going to keep the rpms in the 6000-6800 range bigger is not better and you wont be putting more power down. AT any given rpm under 5800 the tr224 is outpulling all other cams, from any graph I've ever seen. I've got TSP/PRC stage 2.5 heads. 410 hp on a mustang dyno

4mula

you would be better served getting an N20 cam.

99blancoSS

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tr224 handles the n2o just fine

REDSS01

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F13 + 3.90's= perfect balance.

JL ws-6

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bigger exhaust lift/duration would help though... like the 224/228 mentioned in the other thread, lift is 581 588.... somethign to think about.

I have seen the 224 vs the cam I'm running, done at teh same shop, same dyno, and tuned by the same guy, similar weather, and I know for a fact that from the botom to about 3500 they look the same, the noe I'm running just kept climbing about another 15 hp higher, and held a wider flatter curve. Could be a difference in headers, or somethign else, how knows, was 2 different cars, but I know what I saw man.

99blancoSS

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He's already running a tr224, swapping to anything less than 230 duration isnt worth it IMO and unless he's going to use that power range his current cam is fine. I'm not saying the 224/228 isnt a good cam, I've seen a good graph with afr heads. Your right the combo will make the difference. I had a custom cam speced out for my current setup and it came in at a 226/231 .556 .530 And that was from someone who makes most of the custom cams for the sponsors. I'm not going with it because it not worth the money and effort to gain maybe 10hp up top. I'd be setting my rev limit at 6500 rpms for that cam as well. I have 373's too. Why do you think you need a bigger cam is the question? The stock heads dont flow nearly enough for the cam, that why you add heads. Now that you have heads you think you need a bigger cam to match them? Adding cubic inches is your real next step

oange ss

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had i known about the 224/228 i would have bought that one instead, but like Blanco said it aint worth my time to swap those two

i just thought the heads were a little on the big side for that "small" cam, that's just an opinion ....i guess i'll just go to the dyno this spring and see what it does and make a decision from there

JL ws-6

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See what ti does on the dyno, probably need a tune tweak with the heads anyway.

99blancoSS

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IF your numbers arent in the same range as mine you need a good tune. We have almost the exact same setup. Its all in the tune. I was putting down 375/375 w/cam only. Did the heads and then had it dyno tuned on a mustang dyno and now I've got around 440-450. You dont gain that much from just heads. I spent $425 on a real dyno tune, not a dyno jet a/f WOT session. Theres a big difference.
IF I swiotched cam it would be to the latest version of the torquer 2 from TSP. I've seen a real nice graph from it. Very strong through out.

JL ws-6

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And I know a car that has that torquer 2 in it that runs like **** too.. so don't think that one dyno graph says it all.

99blancoSS

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Maybe its the tuning? You want to think the 224/228 is the end all of cams go ahead. Sounds to me like maybe you dont have a good tuner out there. I'm done with this thread(unsubscribing now), you argue with yourself.

oange ss

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i put down 376/371 with a half *** tune cam only last spring, i'm doin the tuning with HPTuner and a wideband

JL ws-6

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Hey idiot, I said it runs like ****... as in makes no power. The 224/228 is not the end all of anything, but is the cam of choice for street/strip cars from about 1/3 of the sponsors on this board, but hey, they all must be wrong too because you by far know more then they do. As for our tuning out this way, Eastside's NOGO was the one that cracked the VE tables in the first place, the tuning on ls1's started right here, and alot of the tuners out there have learned from them, so our tuning must be no good right? If you had 1/2 the knowledge you think you have, then why aren't you making a living doing this stuff? Oh that's right, you only know what your computer screen tells you, probably don't even know how to change a spark plug. Hell, you probabloy don't even have a car. Stop skipping class and playing on the computer, you're never gonna graduate from high school if you don't.

Wanna take this any further there idiot, please feel free to PM me, as I already tried that with you, but your ignorance to hear anything conflicting with your own personal "knowledge" seemed to not be good enough for you.