Who's useing Patriot stage III head?
02-26-2006, 05:51 PM
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Just try the heads you might like the numbers the put out every car is different every tune is different anything is possible just look at the specs. not just the max flow and how they were tested you'll see there not that bad at all 
02-26-2006, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by obZidian
Solid? Well, i hope you know that comparing a 408ci through an stalled auto (like Vann's) isnt going to compare to the numbers put down through a m6. Lock the verter and maybe you'll see what that motor can do.
Pathetic, well, whats pathetic about a car that puts down under 400rwhp and gets into the low 11'z all day long? What do you think he'll do with that pathetic 422, unlocked brotha?!
You gave no inclination for help so you have every right to get smacked around, and dropped squeezing your ankles.
Im not defending the original pster though i felt that your words are un called for and some what indicative of your cognitive abilities.
Those heads DO very well for their price and they shouldn;t be over looked becuz they aren't the most expensive or most sought-after.
Stage III
Lift 2.08" Intake 1.60" Exhaust
.100 78 cfm 66 cfm
.200 147 cfm 124 cfm
.300 209 cfm 164 cfm
.400 255 cfm 206 cfm
.500 296 cfm 229 cfm
.550 312 cfm 232 cfm
.600 322 cfm 237 cfm
These are Patriots stage 3 ls6 heads... looks pretty solid to me!!
Pathetic, well, whats pathetic about a car that puts down under 400rwhp and gets into the low 11'z all day long? What do you think he'll do with that pathetic 422, unlocked brotha?!
You gave no inclination for help so you have every right to get smacked around, and dropped squeezing your ankles.
Im not defending the original pster though i felt that your words are un called for and some what indicative of your cognitive abilities.
Those heads DO very well for their price and they shouldn;t be over looked becuz they aren't the most expensive or most sought-after.
Stage III
1020 Superflow Bench 4.125 Bore
Lift 2.08" Intake 1.60" Exhaust
.100 78 cfm 66 cfm
.200 147 cfm 124 cfm
.300 209 cfm 164 cfm
.400 255 cfm 206 cfm
.500 296 cfm 229 cfm
.550 312 cfm 232 cfm
.600 322 cfm 237 cfm
These are Patriots stage 3 ls6 heads... looks pretty solid to me!!
Like I said.. they are good heads for the money, but not on big cube motors.. You must not read very well at all. You girls want to get your panties in a wad cause I said in a nutshell that "people who spend big bucks on big cid shortblocks are dumbasses for skimping on the heads?" Last time I checked I've heard pretty much everyone on this board say the same exact thing.. Hey lets spend $7k on a built shortblock and then spend $1300 on the heads which are the most important part of the whole equation. If he had a forged 347 or a 383 then I would say sure get the Patriot heads if you are on a budget.
I know Vann and I know what his car runs at the track. He went low 11's with his Patriot S3 headed 408. If you don't think thats pathetic then you too are a dumbass. His car will go a little faster after lots of testing. But, I don't give a **** if hes got a 6spd or an auto. Vanns car MIGHT have put down 500rwhp if he had a 6spd and thats still weak for a 408.. I'm not knocking Vanns car because I think its a sweet ride, but I am knocking the head choice for his particular engine combo.
I know what its like to be on a budget and I have to save every penny that I make to get the stuff that I have. I'm a poor bastard and you don't see me running Patriot heads and they are only 45 minutes from me.
02-26-2006, 06:35 PM
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Who in the hell believes advertised flow numbers anymore?? Seriously.. after all of the crap that has floated around on this board you people still think that advertised flow numbers are solid? Give me a break..
02-26-2006, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by nexvctm2001ss
4 the money you can't beat pp heads those other heads only flow a little more than the pp 4 the money they can't be beat 
I made my origional post without a budget in mind. He has a sleeved LS2 motor with a aftermarket crank. I doubt the budget is the concern.
If 1300 is all he can afford then the Dart 225 head is probally still a better choice. Texas Speed has a ported Dart for 1600 or so. This would be a good option as well.
02-26-2006, 06:51 PM
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My LS2 has the factory sleeve 4.030"bore 4.100"crank 6.125" rods,I can afored around around 1600.00 for heads,The 418 has drained me billfold ,I dont want to sale my all forged 348 witch is stile running perfect .Witch Dart heads do i need to look at ?
02-26-2006, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Randy WS6
Ya, from what i have seen ,Patriot heads is a nice head for the money and any thing close to them is around a 1000.00 more. And i cant see Patiot heads being that bad as JZ'sTA said or Patiot would be out of business, and if i had the money i would build the biggest and badest motor ever built but im not that rich yet.
Dont base your oponion on flow numbers. Patroit typicially adds 20-25HP on many 346 cubed NA, 220-230 duration camed LS1's. AFR typicially picks up 35-45HP for 1000 more dollars.
This means PP avarages out to around 52 dollars per HP.
AFR (at 40 HP gains) avarages out to 57.5 dollars per HP.
AFR (at 45 HP gains) avarages out to 51.11 dollars per HP.
This dosen't get into the ETP heads which MIGHT do even better then the AFR's but there isn't enough testing yet.
I am pretty sure the new Dart heads will have a great HP per dollar rating.
And the new Texas speed heads look real promising as well.
Lets not forget about the TEA stage 1.5 5.3 heads that kick some good *** for about 1550.00
For the money PP is great, but again with the amount of coin in this bottomend I doubt the budget only calls for 1300. There are simply to many better options then the PP heads for this combo.
Please dont get me wrong, I never said the heads were bad, just not anywhere close to the best for this size motor.
The reason they are still in business is because of the AWSOME customer service, the price, and the fact that you get good parts. (Nice springs, good valves, super 7 locks etc...) They sell 100's of sets per week because of this and I doubt are going out of busness any time soon.
02-26-2006, 06:58 PM
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And im looking a quick turn around ,I've read on here that some peaple has waited up to 6 months on a set of head, I dont care to wait, but damn I would like to run the motor this spring and have it ready for the summer . My motor is on the motor stand ready for heads
02-26-2006, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Randy WS6
My LS2 has the factory sleeve 4.030"bore 4.100"crank 6.125" rods,I can afored around around 1600.00 for heads,The 418 has drained me billfold ,I dont want to sale my all forged 348 witch is stile running perfect .Witch Dart heads do i need to look at ?
I apoligize.
I didn't realize the LS2 was going 4.030 bore now as I thought a 4.010 was about all you could do. If I would have calculated all the options I would have figures it out.
Anyways as far as the darts go. For 1600 you can get into a set of the 237cc Dart CnC ported heads from Texas speed.
This IMO would be a better set of heads for your motor.
I would really like to suggest a set of 225 AFR's/ETP's or a set of 245 ETP's if you are trying to really go fast, but these are defentially out of the budget.
02-26-2006, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Randy WS6
Do they say any were on them that they are Patriot or do they have a stock appearance ,I would like them to say Patriot on the front of the head so people would know they were aftermarket heads.
BTW Patroit has their name on the side of the heads. Looks real nice.
Says
P A T R O I T in all caps and is very easy to see.
02-26-2006, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 1QuickT-A
If you spent all that money on the Aluminum 418 and then you go and put a cheap *** set of Patriots on there then you are a dumbass... Like everyone else has said, the Patriots are good heads for the money, but they aren't good heads for big motors. I have yet to see a 408cid+ engine make good power with Patriot heads. Vann aka Z'MonyPit is only making 440rwhp with his 408 and Patriot Stage 3 LS6 heads.. thats pathetic in my book.
I agree with 1 Quick TA but wont call you a dumbass.
I would want to but wouldn't just because I dont know you.
Again those reading my posts, dont think I am a PP basher or hater.
I like their products, but just dont think they offer a great head especially for this many cubic inches.
02-26-2006, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Randy WS6
So what brand of head and size should i go with for around 1600.00 for my 418cid. the cam im using is a Crane 250/266-650/650-112+5 and the pistons are cut for valve up to 2.200" intake so valve size is not a issue
WOW that is a hella camshaft.
I would personially look into the ported Darts.
I however would also save up some more money and get a set of the 245 ETP's. You have some major cubes and a very large cam, the ETP's will really kicks some ***.
02-26-2006, 07:19 PM
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I under stand,I removed my reply to that post earlyer, i had said some things i should not have to that remark,Sorry (1QuickT-A) But i under stand that for the money there are other brands of heads out there that can out proform for the money or just a little more
02-26-2006, 07:36 PM
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Also don`t forget ET heads are 11 degree heads. This helps alot with cam choice.
JZ- not to get in a argument with you. But flow numbers do mean something, for sure on a big stroker. Thats what makes ET heads so great. And AFR! They flow really well where its needed. Thus the cost is greater! As for PP heads. Your right. There service and cost for there product is awsome. Great people to talk to. Well worth the time and effort. On another note-Spend the money. If you don`t, and your not happy. Then you have to sell the others to help buy what you should have gotten first. I`ve learned this the hard way. I promise! Good Luck!!!
JZ- not to get in a argument with you. But flow numbers do mean something, for sure on a big stroker. Thats what makes ET heads so great. And AFR! They flow really well where its needed. Thus the cost is greater! As for PP heads. Your right. There service and cost for there product is awsome. Great people to talk to. Well worth the time and effort. On another note-Spend the money. If you don`t, and your not happy. Then you have to sell the others to help buy what you should have gotten first. I`ve learned this the hard way. I promise! Good Luck!!!
02-26-2006, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by beardWS6
Also don`t forget ET heads are 11 degree heads. This helps alot with cam choice.
JZ- not to get in a argument with you. But flow numbers do mean something, for sure on a big stroker. Thats what makes ET heads so great. And AFR! They flow really well where its needed. Thus the cost is greater! As for PP heads. Your right. There service and cost for there product is awsome. Great people to talk to. Well worth the time and effort. On another note-Spend the money. If you don`t, and your not happy. Then you have to sell the others to help buy what you should have gotten first. I`ve learned this the hard way. I promise! Good Luck!!!
JZ- not to get in a argument with you. But flow numbers do mean something, for sure on a big stroker. Thats what makes ET heads so great. And AFR! They flow really well where its needed. Thus the cost is greater! As for PP heads. Your right. There service and cost for there product is awsome. Great people to talk to. Well worth the time and effort. On another note-Spend the money. If you don`t, and your not happy. Then you have to sell the others to help buy what you should have gotten first. I`ve learned this the hard way. I promise! Good Luck!!!
I know ET heads are 11 degree heads, I have had 5 sets already recieved and have a bunch more on order. Sure flow numbers mean something but dont buy a set of heads based on numbers alone. I never said they dont mean anything I simply said dont base your oponion on flow numbers alone.
02-26-2006, 08:56 PM
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Randy, no harm done man! I just hate seeing guys with bad *** motors running weak *** heads.. Don't get the Patriots.. Spend a little extra cash and at least get the Darts. If you can get a set of AFRs or ETPs then by all means get them cause you will not be dissapointed at all. Tony Mamo at AFR just made 535rwhp 480rwtq with his 383 and AFR 225cc heads with a medium sized solid roller camshaft. Think of the numbers your big motor could make with the right combination.. and trust me.. Patriot heads aren't in the equation when it comes to making that kind of power..
Goodluck with whatever you decide on!
Goodluck with whatever you decide on!