blkZ28spt

I definately wouldn't say the MS3 sucks in a cam only setup. Adding the MS3 to my bolt ons only setup, with a way-too-small 3500 stall speed converter (have since upped to 4k) I dropped 0.4 and added 4.5 mph to my trap speed. Freeing it up with an LS6 intake manifold and getting a more correct 4k stall speed dropped another 0.3.

Now, if only I could afford to take the next step and either get heads/higher compression or spray it.....eventually.

walker94z28

WOW, you guys have really done your homework. Impresive I myself though am not one of these guys who seen the trmin8r and wanted to be like him. And another thing that I saw you guys talkin about was cam only, and right now I dont have any head work done but I look forward to gettin some ported LS6 heads in the future. The only complaint I have with the MS3, was that for me to get its full potential N/A, I had to up my converter from a 3500 to a 4400. But I am verry confident that now I can install my 4.56 and get a 6.9 1/8 time out of it N/A. Otherwise, I am completely satisfied with this cam and the guys at TSP.

JakeFusion

iTrader: (7)

Well, I shouldn't say sucks, but there are better overall cams for cam only applications. The MS3 is better matched to a set of heads, even in drag racing setups. But, if running it cam only is good, running it within a proper setup is even better.

RoastEmSS

im lost here, who is terminator

WS6FirebirdTA00

iTrader: (33)

if you are willing to spin the motor high and do a lot of drag racing the cam may not be so bad if you keep the rpms up with the power range where the cam comes in, for me I like the nice feel for around town just as much as I do up top, like I said its all personal pref.

RoastEmSS

which futral do u have?

WS6FirebirdTA00

iTrader: (33)

It is an F13

nokeman

iTrader: (30)

trmn8r Is a guy on this site who had a bad *** white camaro SS. He had the MS3 in his car, as well as many other mods and there is a video of him raping a ford gt. Someone on here can prolly show you the link.

WS6FirebirdTA00

iTrader: (33)

yeah but i believe he was on spray as well, just because someone has the cam and beats a car doesnt make it godly, yes the car is wicked but we have many cars on the site that car incredible

nokeman

iTrader: (30)

Dude, I didnt say just because it beat the gt that the cam was godly. He had all the things needed to make that cam work to its full potential...plus a 150 shot. That is why he won. And of course there are many cars on here that are wicked...and plenty that are even better than that car. Regardless, this is a great cam but may not suit everybodys wants or needs...as with anything else in this world.

WS6FirebirdTA00

iTrader: (33)

chill man i wasnt saying anything towards waht you said, but there are a lot of guys that think they can do this just after they buy the cam, that was who i was speaking to, not you

PREDATOR-Z

Well this is where the Magic word comes in with the Magic stick.
COMBO

nokeman

iTrader: (30)

Haha ok i get you WS6...and I agree. That would be just plain ignorant to think just this cam will having you beating a GT.

nokeman

iTrader: (30)

Im actually looking more towards the torquer 2 after all thi MS3 discussion. The power band starts at 1800...thats pretty nice. Im wondering if it will still have the lopey idle I want. Can you comment on that predator?? Not that its that important but with this cam get me over 400 with full bolt-ons??

FUN LS1

...sure, if run it on a Dynojet.

The lopey idle comes from the overlap that results from the LSA you choose. In other words, you want to choose the 112 for the chopiest idle and 114 for the smoothest idle. There are a lot of the repurcussions for where and how much peak power is made by choosing various LSA's, so you may want to do a little research. You may even want some advance ground into the cam, like 112+4, for 112 LSA and 4 degrees of advance ground in.

BTW - here's another TSP cam between the Torquer v2 and MS3, that seems to be a good compromise between peak power and excellent torque. It also has a really broad power band that is only slightly different from the torquer. It just doesn't have a catchy name...

http://www.texas-speed.com/shop/item...d=169&catid=44

Redneck Z

iTrader: (3)

Yes it will have a nice lope to it, and yes it's a 400 rwhp cam with the right bolt ons.

FUN LS1

One of the reasons I was interested in the X-ER lobes was the aggressive profile: thinking I would get more bottom and mid-rpm power by getting better lift sooner in the valve opening (faster ramp rate)... In fact I was willing to pay a valvetrain mainenance premium (having to change the dual springs every year/20K). So I'm having trouble undertanding why the bottom end suffers in comparison to say cammotion lobes on the F13. Any help?

(I don't know how the intake events compare on the two cams, though, so I'm missing a big part of the equation.)

WS6FirebirdTA00

iTrader: (33)

thats the big deal, im not sure how similar the base circles are, opening and closing, ect. you shouldnt have to replace springs that much at all, just pick a good spring

nokeman

iTrader: (30)

I wouldnt think you would have to change the dual valve springs once a year. If so thats pretty crazy...and pricey.

FUN LS1

Ha, ha! I should have looked at the Sig on your post... I know you've seen me make the 233/239 recommendation a few times in the many MS3 posts lately. Just as a point of reference, in the shop where I was putting in my new clutch last night they'd just installed a Comp 228 cam and pulley only on a 2000 LS1 that just had a few bolt-ons, and it made 396 rwhp/ 380 rwtq after a little tuning on the Mustang Dyno. Based on that, I'd expect 415 or a little more from the Torquer v2. That's an easy 425 on a Dynojet!

[EDIT] Let us know how those Nittos hook up with your 4.10's...
[EDIT 2] The previous HP for the car above was 335, so it picked up 61 hp from cam & pulley with a 228.