LS1 Dart head Issues All read
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LS1 Dart head Issues All read Most of you know that the stock rocker guides have to be modified to work on the dart heads.
Well we did that and 1500 miles later the whole valve train is askew. The car was down 35+hp so we were looking for issues valve train was noisy so we started there. We found the rockers were misaligned because the stock rocker guide has moved, This could have been bad. When we installed the heads and they were tightened to the correct specs and using the correct procedure. I called dart on thursday with and and pictures they said they were going to call me back but not return call as of yet.
This sux my car is down.
link for site with pictures
http://web.mac.com/crash1/iWeb/Site/heads.html
below is a picture whe you can see the rocker has impacted the retainer
Well we did that and 1500 miles later the whole valve train is askew. The car was down 35+hp so we were looking for issues valve train was noisy so we started there. We found the rockers were misaligned because the stock rocker guide has moved, This could have been bad. When we installed the heads and they were tightened to the correct specs and using the correct procedure. I called dart on thursday with and and pictures they said they were going to call me back but not return call as of yet.
This sux my car is down.
link for site with pictures
http://web.mac.com/crash1/iWeb/Site/heads.html
below is a picture whe you can see the rocker has impacted the retainer
Last edited by NOT-MEE; Mar 18, 2006 at 06:51 PM.
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Originally Posted by alsfastz28
Little matel tabs keep it in line I would think. Please keep us informed. Just got heads yesterday was planning on doing same thing you did.
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Originally Posted by alsfastz28
But I guess we see what happens if you do that what are you going to do now ?
I'm waiting on dart to tell me what to do.
What happens is heads work great then valve train gets noisy. Youy pull covers and you find the whole valvetrain is off.
Last edited by NOT-MEE; Mar 22, 2006 at 03:14 PM.
Originally Posted by NOT-MEE
The stock rocker guide will not fit on heads without modification.
I'm waiting on dart to tell me what they are going to do.
What happens id heads work great then valve train gets noisy. Youy pull covers and you find the whole valvetrain is off.
I'm waiting on dart to tell me what they are going to do.
What happens id heads work great then valve train gets noisy. Youy pull covers and you find the whole valvetrain is off.
damn dude I am sorry to hear this. All I want to know is where in the hell is that smart *** dude from dart when you need him, he is always shitting up other threads about his heads but I bet he stays away from this one.
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I dont understand how the entire row of rockers could move with all the bolts in and tight. I dont believe those little aluminum tabs hold much of anything. Certainly dont hold more than 8 steel bolts. Seems the bolts would have to be bent of the bolt holes wollowed out for this to happen.
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Originally Posted by 383LQ4SS
I dont understand how the entire row of rockers could move with all the bolts in and tight. I dont believe those little aluminum tabs hold much of anything. Certainly dont hold more than 8 steel bolts. Seems the bolts would have to be bent of the bolt holes wollowed out for this to happen.
The tabs are for factory alignment of the rockers during assembly line install, if the tabs on the guides are not completely ground away it could have worked loose, but the rocker system does not need the tabs to run properly.
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They were adjusted correctly and done using the correct procedure.
I drive my car daily.
We are going to do the alignment procedure again see what happens.
Right now they are torqued to spec. We are going to remove the valve-train and realign and re-torque. You know when something is off because they get real noisy.
I drive my car daily.
We are going to do the alignment procedure again see what happens.
Right now they are torqued to spec. We are going to remove the valve-train and realign and re-torque. You know when something is off because they get real noisy.
Kurt is correct, those tabs are just there to keep them from slippping off during assembly, they do not align anything, tightening the bolts aligns them. Matter of fact on a stock the rails move around a lot on a stock head with the tabs.
Either one of the tabs are not ground off or they just came loose. 6800rpm a lot of times here and my rockers are just fine..
Either one of the tabs are not ground off or they just came loose. 6800rpm a lot of times here and my rockers are just fine..