Torque coming out of my EARS! (cam change)
03-31-2009, 10:53 AM
#462
I've been runing that cam now for over 50,000 miles on a DD with great results..452 rwhp on a heads/cam and all the bolt ons car...its a great street cam...makes plenty of muscle under the curve which is where most of us live 99% of the time ... 
12-04-2009, 12:58 PM
#463
Staging Lane
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Western Michigan
Posts: 54
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Would it have similar results with say XFI lobes instead to cut down on NVH and prolong sprint life? I love the torque curve and am looking for similar results, just leary of the aggressive LSK lobes for a DD car.
Should do well with a 3600 stall out of a 2004r and 4.10's The following users liked this post:
cino (06-25-2021)
06-26-2010, 01:10 PM
#468
Teching In
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 24
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Actually TORQUE is really what matters, Horsepower isn't even a real force, it is a mathematical formula.
HP=Torque x RPM / 5250
So as you can see, what you feel when you press the pedal is torque. The measure of how much torque you have over a given time period or RPM band is more closely correlated with horsepower.
Basically horsepower is a more accurate number to show the performance of a car over time, while torque is more accurate to show the actual power the car is making at any given moment.
What Patrick is saying is that he is maximizing BOTH, or the area under the curve.
By increasing his torque range all over, he is maximizing the power he has both at any given time (torque) AND the torque the engine makes over time (HP).
This is what will truly make a fast and fun car.
I myself am looking to do the exact same thing my car.
The old saying is: Horsepower sells cars, Torque wins races.
Having the power there when you need it at all times is what makes your car fast.
03-17-2011, 09:50 PM
#472
TECH Apprentice
iTrader: (7)
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: New Berlin Wi
Posts: 309
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Great thread. I know it's as old as moses but it has great info. I'm thinking about this cam for my dd 95 s10 lq4/t56. the motor is currently going together with stage 3 243 cnc heads. about 10.0to1 compression. lts, no cats and a full 3" dual exhaust. I will eventually get a fast 92/92 as well. Of those of you that drive or have driven this cam daily. any idea on the gas mileage. I need at least one of my cars to get somewhat respectable mileage.
Thanks for any info you could provide.
Kory
Thanks for any info you could provide.
Kory
03-18-2011, 06:08 PM
#473
Staging Lane
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: englishtown n.j.
Posts: 58
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hello Kory
I looked up the cam I am using its a Patrick Guerra, 226/230 .598 .600 113+2
I am running more compression then you mentioned about 11.25.
If you want to stay with 10.0 you can change the came advance to +4.
This cam rocks for a street setup.
The car drive near stock when you baby it.
The mileage is great when you baby it.
I have the fast 92 manifold and the C6 TB
I an running AFR 205 heads and a 0.035 cometic gasket.
forged pistons and forged connection rods (heavy parts)
I made 496hp, 477tq
its a very nice torque curve. HP is near flat from 6000 to 6600
I am set up a little rich and a little low on timing due to my setup for a small NOS shot.
This is in a C5, six speed car with 3.90 rear.
second is tough not to smoke the tires from a fast roll.
I am running 295 BFGR KDW2
Mileage can be up to 28MPG on a cruise
11's in the 1/4 with a full weight car-poor driver
This setup out shines my old 224, 224, cam, ported LS6 head, ls6 manifold
in every way.
Hope this helps
Mr. Jones
I looked up the cam I am using its a Patrick Guerra, 226/230 .598 .600 113+2
I am running more compression then you mentioned about 11.25.
If you want to stay with 10.0 you can change the came advance to +4.
This cam rocks for a street setup.
The car drive near stock when you baby it.
The mileage is great when you baby it.
I have the fast 92 manifold and the C6 TB
I an running AFR 205 heads and a 0.035 cometic gasket.
forged pistons and forged connection rods (heavy parts)
I made 496hp, 477tq
its a very nice torque curve. HP is near flat from 6000 to 6600
I am set up a little rich and a little low on timing due to my setup for a small NOS shot.
This is in a C5, six speed car with 3.90 rear.
second is tough not to smoke the tires from a fast roll.
I am running 295 BFGR KDW2
Mileage can be up to 28MPG on a cruise
11's in the 1/4 with a full weight car-poor driver
This setup out shines my old 224, 224, cam, ported LS6 head, ls6 manifold
in every way.
Hope this helps
Mr. Jones
03-18-2011, 06:24 PM
#474
TECH Apprentice
iTrader: (7)
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: New Berlin Wi
Posts: 309
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Thanks for the reply.
was that whp/wtq you mentioned? I would be happy with 425 and extatic with 450. do you think that this would be doable with the lower compression? I'm leaning toward having Patrick spec me a cam.
Thanks again.
Kory
was that whp/wtq you mentioned? I would be happy with 425 and extatic with 450. do you think that this would be doable with the lower compression? I'm leaning toward having Patrick spec me a cam.
Thanks again.
Kory
03-31-2011, 04:53 PM
#475
On The Tree
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: jax, fl
Posts: 161
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I've been experimenting again!
As many of you know, I ran the first Thunder Racing TRak Cam to great success. The cam specs are 233/235 .644/.598 112LSA (+2). This is a very mean cam and a bit of a bear to tune, but the effort was worth it. Made the numbers in my signature. The TRak cam is bigger than its numbers will lead you to believe.
About a month ago, I had an opportunity to try out a Comp XE-R lobed cam: 234/238 .598/.605 114LSA (+2). This cam had much better street manners than the TRak cam and was within 5 rwhp in the 6000+ rpm range, but was down about 20 lb ft of torque in the 3000-4000 rpm mid-range. I wanted my torque back.
Since I liked the street manners of the 114LSA cam, but I wanted lots more torque, I asked Thunder Racing to grind me up a Super Torquey cam that would have excellent street manners. Here's what they came up with:
224/228 .637/.639 110LSA (+0).
I'm absolutely in love with this cam. It feels like I picked up 50 lb ft of torque in the 2000-4000rpm range over the 234/238 114LSA cam.
Here's why: My dynamic compression has risen from 8.34:1 to 8:73:1! We even saw a huge increase in cranking compression. The 234/238 114LSA cam had 200psi and the new Torque cam has 245psi! Holy smokes!! No wonder my throttle response is instantaneous.
This cam proves that you can have a 110LSA cam and still have excellent street manners and the .637/.639" lift will really compliment my high flowing AFR 225 heads. I will spend this week tweaking my speed density tune, then I hope to go to Houston and put it on the rollers! Torque, Torque, Torque!!
New sig.
As many of you know, I ran the first Thunder Racing TRak Cam to great success. The cam specs are 233/235 .644/.598 112LSA (+2). This is a very mean cam and a bit of a bear to tune, but the effort was worth it. Made the numbers in my signature. The TRak cam is bigger than its numbers will lead you to believe.
About a month ago, I had an opportunity to try out a Comp XE-R lobed cam: 234/238 .598/.605 114LSA (+2). This cam had much better street manners than the TRak cam and was within 5 rwhp in the 6000+ rpm range, but was down about 20 lb ft of torque in the 3000-4000 rpm mid-range. I wanted my torque back.
Since I liked the street manners of the 114LSA cam, but I wanted lots more torque, I asked Thunder Racing to grind me up a Super Torquey cam that would have excellent street manners. Here's what they came up with:
224/228 .637/.639 110LSA (+0).
I'm absolutely in love with this cam. It feels like I picked up 50 lb ft of torque in the 2000-4000rpm range over the 234/238 114LSA cam.
Here's why: My dynamic compression has risen from 8.34:1 to 8:73:1! We even saw a huge increase in cranking compression. The 234/238 114LSA cam had 200psi and the new Torque cam has 245psi! Holy smokes!! No wonder my throttle response is instantaneous.
This cam proves that you can have a 110LSA cam and still have excellent street manners and the .637/.639" lift will really compliment my high flowing AFR 225 heads. I will spend this week tweaking my speed density tune, then I hope to go to Houston and put it on the rollers! Torque, Torque, Torque!!
New sig.
04-03-2011, 02:31 PM
#476
TECH Enthusiast
Join Date: May 2004
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 735
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Just reading through some posts
will this cam you're talking about...
224/228 .637/.639 110LSA (+0)
...work well with either some ported ls6 heads or some PRC 220cc 5.3 heads
http://www.texas-speed.com/shop/item...id=84&catid=20
will this cam you're talking about...
224/228 .637/.639 110LSA (+0)
...work well with either some ported ls6 heads or some PRC 220cc 5.3 heads
http://www.texas-speed.com/shop/item...id=84&catid=20
04-03-2011, 09:38 PM
#477
Hello Kory
I looked up the cam I am using its a Patrick Guerra, 226/230 .598 .600 113+2
I am running more compression then you mentioned about 11.25.
If you want to stay with 10.0 you can change the came advance to +4.
This cam rocks for a street setup.
The car drive near stock when you baby it.
The mileage is great when you baby it.
I have the fast 92 manifold and the C6 TB
I an running AFR 205 heads and a 0.035 cometic gasket.
forged pistons and forged connection rods (heavy parts)
I made 496hp, 477tq
its a very nice torque curve. HP is near flat from 6000 to 6600
I am set up a little rich and a little low on timing due to my setup for a small NOS shot.
This is in a C5, six speed car with 3.90 rear.
second is tough not to smoke the tires from a fast roll.
I am running 295 BFGR KDW2
Mileage can be up to 28MPG on a cruise
11's in the 1/4 with a full weight car-poor driver
This setup out shines my old 224, 224, cam, ported LS6 head, ls6 manifold
in every way.
Hope this helps
Mr. Jones
I looked up the cam I am using its a Patrick Guerra, 226/230 .598 .600 113+2
I am running more compression then you mentioned about 11.25.
If you want to stay with 10.0 you can change the came advance to +4.
This cam rocks for a street setup.
The car drive near stock when you baby it.
The mileage is great when you baby it.
I have the fast 92 manifold and the C6 TB
I an running AFR 205 heads and a 0.035 cometic gasket.
forged pistons and forged connection rods (heavy parts)
I made 496hp, 477tq
its a very nice torque curve. HP is near flat from 6000 to 6600
I am set up a little rich and a little low on timing due to my setup for a small NOS shot.
This is in a C5, six speed car with 3.90 rear.
second is tough not to smoke the tires from a fast roll.
I am running 295 BFGR KDW2
Mileage can be up to 28MPG on a cruise
11's in the 1/4 with a full weight car-poor driver
This setup out shines my old 224, 224, cam, ported LS6 head, ls6 manifold
in every way.
Hope this helps
Mr. Jones
04-05-2011, 08:10 PM
#479
That can't be, at least not for 346ci. Patrick's 500rwhp recipe logged 508/445 at the tires, and we all know that you really can't optimize more than that.
Link
The original Torque Cam came out to 459/410
Link
mr. Jones, I'm certainly not trying to pick your combo apart, as no doubt it runs circles around my junk. It's just a significant bit higher than Pat's setup was with largely the same parts.
Link
The original Torque Cam came out to 459/410
Link
mr. Jones, I'm certainly not trying to pick your combo apart, as no doubt it runs circles around my junk. It's just a significant bit higher than Pat's setup was with largely the same parts.
Last edited by hammertime; 04-05-2011 at 08:15 PM.
