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Old 05-02-2006, 04:57 PM
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looks like its all "in there" to me!
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Looks internal enough to me- you might need a big cowl hood though
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Care to go into detail what all you got??
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Originally Posted by SVT THIS
Care to go into detail what all you got??
-New Patriot Ls6 ported heads with dual valve springs..yadaaddad
-I have two cams...still trying to figure out what to use...G5X2, and MS3
-Coated Pacesetter Race style Long tubes and ORP.
-25% UD pulley
-new strut tower bar
-cross drilled slotted roters and hawk brake pads
-barely used Nitro Dave wet kit
and i think thats about it in the picture..i have alot of other stuff not pictured though..LoL I love having new stuff.
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I'd go with the MS3-I hear it loves getting sprayed!
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Originally Posted by SVT THIS
I'd go with the MS3-I hear it loves getting sprayed!
Both of the cams i have are great n/a and on bottle....
its very hard to decide. So many good cams out there.
A friend of mine speced a reverse split cam for another friend...it was something like a 229/226 high .58x's lift 112 ls1 -1
and he ran it cam only and is trapping 119 with it n/a, and 128 on a 125 shot! Makes me want him to grind me something similar...lol
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Nice install...how long did it take you?

...if it were only that easy
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I would go with the MS3, just make sure you get a 3600 stall, this cam want do you wrong.
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what kind of UD pulley is that?
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When you asked what kind of parts you should put on your car..... thats not what we though you meant.
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Originally Posted by chewy99ws6
I would go with the MS3, just make sure you get a 3600 stall, this cam want do you wrong.
Why does he need a stall? Its a M6.
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Originally Posted by HartAttack
Both of the cams i have are great n/a and on bottle....
its very hard to decide. So many good cams out there.
A friend of mine speced a reverse split cam for another friend...it was something like a 229/226 high .58x's lift 112 ls1 -1
and he ran it cam only and is trapping 119 with it n/a, and 128 on a 125 shot! Makes me want him to grind me something similar...lol
Definitely stick with the traditional split cams...better N/A and much better on the "squeeze"

Good choice of parts....but no offense...........your install work needs much improvement!! I mean for christ sake, you installed the stuff and left most of it in the damn box!! The brakes and clutch are no where near where they should be!

I do like the side exit exhaust that you did with the header though!!!

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Originally Posted by mike#9
Definitely stick with the traditional split cams...better N/A and much better on the "squeeze"
Man after seeing my buddies results it makes you want to go with his specs....i havent seen many reverse split cams makin alot of power.

Originally Posted by mike#9
Good choice of parts....but no offense...........your install work needs much improvement!! I mean for christ sake, you installed the stuff and left most of it in the damn box!! The brakes and clutch are no where near where they should be!
I do like the side exit exhaust that you did with the header though!!!
FLMAO!
yeah but duck tape and gorrila glue do wonders i only ordered one of everything....trying for a "two face" type setup...
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Originally Posted by seth webster
what kind of UD pulley is that?
it was a nasty looking slp 25% ud pulley. i cleaned and painted the front of it with windex and chrome spray paint now the cross drills and bigger opening up front are for aerodynamics
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This is a great thread.
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You suck. That is all...
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Originally Posted by mike#9
Definitely stick with the traditional split cams...better N/A and much better on the "squeeze"
You've stated your premis, but you offer ZERO support to this claim. You'll have to elaborate.

A reverse split can effectively give you more power with better drivability over any other grind. The intake valve closes later (more rev potential = more power), and you'll have less over lap than even a single pattern (assuming LSA is constant) If you're opening the exhaust valve later (smaller exhaust lobe), then you're developing more useful work&power out of the expansion of your exhaust gases = higher retained gas mileage.

Lastly, if it's the LSx intakes restricting us- cater to it in your camshaft. GenIIIs have great exhaust ports. Team that up with 1.75" tubes and a cutout and exhaust restriction is minimized while flow is optimized.

So, what's your justificition? Is this a blanket statement/rephrase?

Have you read posts documenting the success of non-traditional, reverse splits?

I agree, for large shots of nitrous that a traditiona split would be better, but do not agree for a street driven machine.

Ben T.
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Originally Posted by Studytime
You've stated your premis, but you offer ZERO support to this claim. You'll have to elaborate.

A reverse split can effectively give you more power with better drivability over any other grind. The intake valve closes later (more rev potential = more power), and you'll have less over lap than even a single pattern (assuming LSA is constant) If you're opening the exhaust valve later (smaller exhaust lobe), then you're developing more useful work&power out of the expansion of your exhaust gases = higher retained gas mileage.

Lastly, if it's the LSx intakes restricting us- cater to it in your camshaft. GenIIIs have great exhaust ports. Team that up with 1.75" tubes and a cutout and exhaust restriction is minimized while flow is optimized.

So, what's your justificition? Is this a blanket statement/rephrase?

Have you read posts documenting the success of non-traditional, reverse splits?

I agree, for large shots of nitrous that a traditiona split would be better, but do not agree for a street driven machine.

Ben T.
I guess it would depend on the setup. All things being equal....i will agree that a reverse split will have better driveability. But as we mod.....with bigger cubes and forced induction from higher hp motors......most choose to upgrade their intake setup. I think that with the great flowing heads and all the new intake designs that are out.....intake is no longer the bottle neck that it once was. That is why I feel that the traditional split makes a little more sense under these conditions due to the need for increased exhaust flow.

I cant remember the last time I saw a high hp..big cube stroker/all bore/solid roller.....or forced inducted LS1 that had a reverse split cam.

I am by no means a cam or engine guru...but why is this?

I just see all these intakes, high flow intake ports on these new heads, hogged out throttle bodies........i just dont see the huge bottleneck with air intake anymore.

I guess it comes down to personal preference. How much power I want to make, where I want to make it, and how long do I want to make it........and how much driveability do I want to have in the meanwhile.




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