Blew my lme 408 shortblock
06-04-2006, 11:33 AM
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as far as I was told u should put about 500 or more miles on her before running her down the track to make sure there are no problems like that. never the less that does suck brah!
06-04-2006, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 1fastTransAm
as far as I was told u should put about 500 or more miles on her before running her down the track to make sure there are no problems like that. never the less that does suck brah!
06-04-2006, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by tuff
This is a race motor.All you need is some ring seat time and its ready to go.This motor was owned by a buddy of mine that had some time on it last year so it was broke in.needless to say rod bolts just don't magicly dissapper with threads it tacked.
I agree once the rings seat it should be good to go.
Had 3 heat cycles and about 5 miles on my motor before it saw 100% throttle on the dyno.
Good luck Tuff I hope LME stands behind there motor.
06-04-2006, 02:54 PM
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If you look at this picture you can notice the threads still in the rod end.This tells me that the bolt came out because there is no possible way to still have perfict threads in the rod end.
06-04-2006, 03:44 PM
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Im sorry for your loss, that really hurts the pocket book and motivation to keep racing.
Considering the motor has changed hands from original owner, I cant see LME warrantying anything. Nothing against you or your buddy you bought it from, but once parts change hands etc they know nothing about if the rod bolts were removed to check/replace the bearings to freshen it etc and so any failure would normally not be carried under warranty.
Considering the motor has changed hands from original owner, I cant see LME warrantying anything. Nothing against you or your buddy you bought it from, but once parts change hands etc they know nothing about if the rod bolts were removed to check/replace the bearings to freshen it etc and so any failure would normally not be carried under warranty.
06-04-2006, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by stang90gt50
Im sorry for your loss, that really hurts the pocket book and motivation to keep racing.
Considering the motor has changed hands from original owner, I cant see LME warrantying anything. Nothing against you or your buddy you bought it from, but once parts change hands etc they know nothing about if the rod bolts were removed to check/replace the bearings to freshen it etc and so any failure would normally not be carried under warranty.
Considering the motor has changed hands from original owner, I cant see LME warrantying anything. Nothing against you or your buddy you bought it from, but once parts change hands etc they know nothing about if the rod bolts were removed to check/replace the bearings to freshen it etc and so any failure would normally not be carried under warranty.
06-04-2006, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by stang90gt50
Im sorry for your loss, that really hurts the pocket book and motivation to keep racing.
Considering the motor has changed hands from original owner, I cant see LME warrantying anything. Nothing against you or your buddy you bought it from, but once parts change hands etc they know nothing about if the rod bolts were removed to check/replace the bearings to freshen it etc and so any failure would normally not be carried under warranty.
Considering the motor has changed hands from original owner, I cant see LME warrantying anything. Nothing against you or your buddy you bought it from, but once parts change hands etc they know nothing about if the rod bolts were removed to check/replace the bearings to freshen it etc and so any failure would normally not be carried under warranty.
took the word right out of my mouth..
06-04-2006, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by stang90gt50
Im sorry for your loss, that really hurts the pocket book and motivation to keep racing.
Considering the motor has changed hands from original owner, I cant see LME warrantying anything. Nothing against you or your buddy you bought it from, but once parts change hands etc they know nothing about if the rod bolts were removed to check/replace the bearings to freshen it etc and so any failure would normally not be carried under warranty.
Considering the motor has changed hands from original owner, I cant see LME warrantying anything. Nothing against you or your buddy you bought it from, but once parts change hands etc they know nothing about if the rod bolts were removed to check/replace the bearings to freshen it etc and so any failure would normally not be carried under warranty.
06-04-2006, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MTI 427 C5 Roadster
I feel you pain BRO but unfortunately I agree with the above as this is standard in the industry in the racing world when the motor is not purchased directly from the engine builder; however, hopefully LME will go above the call of duty and will help you out with this unfortunate situation!!
06-04-2006, 10:46 PM
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Hello,
I'm sorry to hear about your engine failure. It is sometimes hard to analyze
a failure of this nature.
During the assembly of this engine all the rod bolts were initially threaded into the connecting rods with the use of a speed handle. At this point the bolts only reach a torque value of approximately 10 to 15 ft.lbs. After all the piston/rod assemblies were installed, all the rod bolts were torqued to Lunati's spec. It is part of LME's standard assembly procedures to triple check both main and rod bolt torque, after the initial torque. This being said, I believe there is no possible way that a rod bolt was over looked during the initial assembly.The connecting rod bolts are the most highly stressed fastener in any engine. If the rod bolt or bolts in question were left with only the pre torque tightening of 10 to 15 ft.lbs, catastrophic failure would present
itself within minutes of initial engine operation. The engine would have
never made it through the first owner's multiple dyno runs and any other driving or track passes that were done.
Please give me a call tomorrow at your convenience to further discuss the
issue. Although the engine is no longer within the scope of our warranty
policy, LME will help you out as much as we can to get you back up and
racing.
Sincerely,
Bryan Neelen
LME
713-849-4505
I'm sorry to hear about your engine failure. It is sometimes hard to analyze
a failure of this nature.
During the assembly of this engine all the rod bolts were initially threaded into the connecting rods with the use of a speed handle. At this point the bolts only reach a torque value of approximately 10 to 15 ft.lbs. After all the piston/rod assemblies were installed, all the rod bolts were torqued to Lunati's spec. It is part of LME's standard assembly procedures to triple check both main and rod bolt torque, after the initial torque. This being said, I believe there is no possible way that a rod bolt was over looked during the initial assembly.The connecting rod bolts are the most highly stressed fastener in any engine. If the rod bolt or bolts in question were left with only the pre torque tightening of 10 to 15 ft.lbs, catastrophic failure would present
itself within minutes of initial engine operation. The engine would have
never made it through the first owner's multiple dyno runs and any other driving or track passes that were done.
Please give me a call tomorrow at your convenience to further discuss the
issue. Although the engine is no longer within the scope of our warranty
policy, LME will help you out as much as we can to get you back up and
racing.
Sincerely,
Bryan Neelen
LME
713-849-4505
06-04-2006, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MTI 427 C5 Roadster
I feel you pain BRO but unfortunately I agree with the above as this is standard in the industry in the racing world when the motor is not purchased directly from the engine builder; however, hopefully LME will go above the call of duty and will help you out with this unfortunate situation!!
This was my shortblock. You know how my stuff is used and kept. This short had less than 300 miles on it!!! I really want to get to the bottom of this. I'll call Bryan in the morning to see what he thinks.
I feel like a ***!!
I would have thought that motor had a full life left in it. It had to be just broken in. We'll get it figured out.Andy.
06-04-2006, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bryan@LME
Hello,
I'm sorry to hear about your engine failure. It is sometimes hard to analyze
a failure of this nature.
During the assembly of this engine all the rod bolts were initially threaded into the connecting rods with the use of a speed handle. At this point the bolts only reach a torque value of approximately 10 to 15 ft.lbs. After all the piston/rod assemblies were installed, all the rod bolts were torqued to Lunati's spec. It is part of LME's standard assembly procedures to triple check both main and rod bolt torque, after the initial torque. This being said, I believe there is no possible way that a rod bolt was over looked during the initial assembly.The connecting rod bolts are the most highly stressed fastener in any engine. If the rod bolt or bolts in question were left with only the pre torque tightening of 10 to 15 ft.lbs, catastrophic failure would present
itself within minutes of initial engine operation. The engine would have
never made it through the first owner's multiple dyno runs and any other driving or track passes that were done.
Please give me a call tomorrow at your convenience to further discuss the
issue. Although the engine is no longer within the scope of our warranty
policy, LME will help you out as much as we can to get you back up and
racing.
Sincerely,
Bryan Neelen
LME
713-849-4505
I'm sorry to hear about your engine failure. It is sometimes hard to analyze
a failure of this nature.
During the assembly of this engine all the rod bolts were initially threaded into the connecting rods with the use of a speed handle. At this point the bolts only reach a torque value of approximately 10 to 15 ft.lbs. After all the piston/rod assemblies were installed, all the rod bolts were torqued to Lunati's spec. It is part of LME's standard assembly procedures to triple check both main and rod bolt torque, after the initial torque. This being said, I believe there is no possible way that a rod bolt was over looked during the initial assembly.The connecting rod bolts are the most highly stressed fastener in any engine. If the rod bolt or bolts in question were left with only the pre torque tightening of 10 to 15 ft.lbs, catastrophic failure would present
itself within minutes of initial engine operation. The engine would have
never made it through the first owner's multiple dyno runs and any other driving or track passes that were done.
Please give me a call tomorrow at your convenience to further discuss the
issue. Although the engine is no longer within the scope of our warranty
policy, LME will help you out as much as we can to get you back up and
racing.
Sincerely,
Bryan Neelen
LME
713-849-4505
Bryan, give me a call when you get a chance. Or I'll call you tomorrow. Shop 630-782-6000 or cell 630-531-5666. Thanks, Andy Essary.
06-04-2006, 11:21 PM
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Its good to see LME offering to help you out, but I don't feel this is an LME problem. You are the 2nd owner, and the engine already had miles on it to prove it worked properly. Had that bolt been left loose, it would have failed instantly (seen it happen before). It obviously worked itself loose over time, which sucks.
Whenever I buy a 2nd hand engine, I always go over the nuts/bolts before installing it in a racecar. Its usually a good idea to do this once per race season also.
This situation sucks, hate to see engines destroyed like that. Been there, done that!
Whenever I buy a 2nd hand engine, I always go over the nuts/bolts before installing it in a racecar. Its usually a good idea to do this once per race season also.
This situation sucks, hate to see engines destroyed like that. Been there, done that!
06-05-2006, 12:20 AM
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the guy who sold him the engine is a very very good friend of his and mine we see and talk each other almost everyday so its not like the engine went to someone on the other side of the country to some guy he dosen't know .. they're friendship is like selling the engine to your brother thats how close these guys are .. i just hope everything works out for all parties, we'll have to see what happens
06-05-2006, 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by kossuth
Best of luck to him but I can't see LME eatting this. I might be wrong but like mentioned before it is a industry standard. Also some items have to be installed by a licensed installer in order to be warrantied. Best of luck.
06-05-2006, 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by possessed1
the guy who sold him the engine is a very very good friend of his and mine we see and talk each other almost everyday so its not like the engine went to someone on the other side of the country to some guy he dosen't know .. they're friendship is like selling the engine to your brother thats how close these guys are .. i just hope everything works out for all parties, we'll have to see what happens
I agree and I also know ANDY very well personally and he is a stand up guy for sure, and ironically I just saw him last night with his awesome family at the LOMBARD car show and i know he is SUPER **** about what he puts into his car and what he has built, etc., etc., but as we all know it is industry standard for the engine builder not to warranty the motor in this type of sitation. That having been said, it looks like BRYAN/LME, being the stand up shop that they are, will do whatever they can to help TUFF out of this extremely unfotunate and unforseeable situation, and hopefully he will be up and romping down the 1320 again in the near future!!
06-05-2006, 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by possessed1
LOL yeah i hear you he is pretty **** isn't he .. 
super nice guy ..
super nice guy ..YEAH, LOL, very **** about his LS1 hotrod 02 WS6 and a great guy for sure, and I see you and I are neighbors!!
I take it you go to the ELmhusrt cursine nights on WEDS. nights. IF yes, come by and stop to shoot the ****, as i am easy to fine with my D1SC procharged Elec blue 02 Z06 just hanging out and enjoying the scenery! 
06-05-2006, 12:48 AM
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yeah i noticed that to , i am over at the south east corner of york and butterfield .. off of old york rd .. i am hoping to get out there with my car soon still waiting on a few parts i personaly am a mustang guy but i love anything with ***** ,except rice burners .lol i'll see you there for sure
i was going to do some of the tuning and wrenching on tuffs car but its not looking good for him at this point in time
, so now we hoping to get my car on the track this year for the nmra drag raidal class , so i think now tuffs going to be helping me tune on my car this year .
,except rice burners .lol i'll see you there for sure i was going to do some of the tuning and wrenching on tuffs car but its not looking good for him at this point in time
, so now we hoping to get my car on the track this year for the nmra drag raidal class , so i think now tuffs going to be helping me tune on my car this year . Last edited by possessed1; 06-05-2006 at 01:04 AM.