MS3 in stock A4?
Originally Posted by Joel_SS
Exactly! It is againt ls1tech law to put a cam in A4 with a stock converter! 
well i have the Ms3 with a 3500 stall and had 323's! it was def streetable and had no problem driving! i got about 12 mpg in all city driving!
with a 3500 stall and 323's i went 12.13 at 111
now 410's and 3500 11.92 at 115.1
going to a 4400 stall to optimize the cam and still gonna be my DD!
with a 3500 stall and 323's i went 12.13 at 111
now 410's and 3500 11.92 at 115.1
going to a 4400 stall to optimize the cam and still gonna be my DD!
is a higher stalling tourqe converter only for a stand race application? from 0-what ever? ... I mean if with a 3.4-3.7 gears and a stock converter any problems when cruising say at 50 mph or 70 mph? or racing from a 30 mph?
I mean if I`m not planning on racing from a stop (or if I`m racing with a non cammed car from a stop) both with a stock converter will he beat me in that race if I have the MS3?
I mean if I`m not planning on racing from a stop (or if I`m racing with a non cammed car from a stop) both with a stock converter will he beat me in that race if I have the MS3?
Originally Posted by camscam02
well i have the Ms3 with a 3500 stall and had 323's! it was def streetable and had no problem driving! i got about 12 mpg in all city driving!
with a 3500 stall and 323's i went 12.13 at 111
now 410's and 3500 11.92 at 115.1
going to a 4400 stall to optimize the cam and still gonna be my DD!
with a 3500 stall and 323's i went 12.13 at 111
now 410's and 3500 11.92 at 115.1
going to a 4400 stall to optimize the cam and still gonna be my DD!
Originally Posted by Bader-X
is a higher stalling tourqe converter only for a stand race application? from 0-what ever? ... I mean if with a 3.4-3.7 gears and a stock converter any problems when cruising say at 50 mph or 70 mph? or racing from a 30 mph?
I mean if I`m not planning on racing from a stop (or if I`m racing with a non cammed car from a stop) both with a stock converter will he beat me in that race if I have the MS3?
I mean if I`m not planning on racing from a stop (or if I`m racing with a non cammed car from a stop) both with a stock converter will he beat me in that race if I have the MS3?
A higher stall torque converter is not for only a race application. When you switch to a big cam like the ms3 ( or in most cases any cam at all) your going to need a new stall to put the car into its powerband. a cam adds more hp and torque but when using the ms3 or any other big cam it puts the power higher in the rpms.I.E. the ms3 doesnt even begin to make decent power until about 3000 rpms. so without a stall your car will be slow as hell off the line. basically a stock ls1 would waste your from a dead stop. until you got into powerband. the ms3 makes big power around 3500-4000 thats why most people go with a 3500 or a 4000 stall, to put them right into power band.
You wont have any problems cruising but im pretty sure that from a stop your car will be very sluggish. i assume it would be like taking off in 3rd gear. and from a 30 roll? it wont be too bad but dont expect a whole lot either, your stock stall is around 1800 (maybe 1600??) so with a new cam it will stall higher and at the most stall to about 2500. this isnt even close to where you want to be when you race. if your thinking you dont want a stall or dont want a big stall, go with a smaller cam.
once again im still learning and this is just info i have gathered so if i am wrong please correct me.
hey camscam 02 are you spraying? or just all motor? im thinking its all motor but just figured i would ask? im looking to get that cam with a set of ls6 heads and hoping to see 10s with it.
no im not spraying i would get rid of the car if i had that cam and was spraying and running the number i am!
ummm you wont see tens unless your car weighs 3200 or so pounds, a bigger stall, and great weather!
im still optimitic to see if my car will get close to the tens with my big stall and a set of heads!
oh but if you use your Nos you will def. be in the 10's!
ummm you wont see tens unless your car weighs 3200 or so pounds, a bigger stall, and great weather!
im still optimitic to see if my car will get close to the tens with my big stall and a set of heads!
oh but if you use your Nos you will def. be in the 10's!
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i dont think i could handle 12mpg.......i know its gonna drop but damn. if its like that when you beat on it, thats one thing. if its like that all the time, i would go broke
Ive seen an ms3 cam only ls1 with a 175 shot, a 3500 stall, full weight, little to no suspension mods, with bigs and skinnys run 10.60's. that is also in Florida in the dead of summer with terrible DA from the salt and humidity.
Originally Posted by camscam02
its not bad at al consider i have SVO 30 lb injectors and only drive in stop and go traffic! thats is no freeway at all and below 55 mph almost all of the time!!
why do you have 30lb injectors?
i was refering to all motor when he asked if heads and the ms3 will go tens! ofcourse with Nos it will no problem!
but with the bigger cam the stock size injectors cant give enough fuel to the motor and therefore their duty cycle was over 100% which isnt good! so i switched to 30lb SVO injectors to get my duty cylce down to 80% and def. a safer running motor!
but with the bigger cam the stock size injectors cant give enough fuel to the motor and therefore their duty cycle was over 100% which isnt good! so i switched to 30lb SVO injectors to get my duty cylce down to 80% and def. a safer running motor!
Staging Lane
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How much more of a difference would there be if you had your same set up but with a ms4 instead of the ms3 im trying to figure out which cam i want to go with. on street daily driving and track.
*off topic sorry to steal your thread!
*off topic sorry to steal your thread!
the ms4 has higher lift in the intake side making better power under the curve! it wouldnt be much of a diffrence drving wise probably a little better driving because of the more power down low! it is worse on the valve springs though!
Staging Lane
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thanks for the info, i'm prolly gona be going with a 3600 stall and keep the stock 323s in for now and switch to 373s when they go out, any problems with the stock transmission with that much power to the ground?
Originally Posted by camscam02
iu dont have a problem as of now and im going to a 4400 stall here in a couple weeks! as long as you have a tranny cooler you should be fine!
if your shifting upwards of 6000 i wouldnt count on it much longer. from what ive read the 4l60e can handle alot of power but hi rev's are a killer. i had originally planned on doing the same thing, reving it up high and if it blows it blows but im afraid it will bounce the rev limiter and then all hell will break loose.
Thats what happend to i think his name was detroit muscle. he had just got the ms3 with heads installed and got a yank ss4000. had it tuned and decided to punched it and broke a spring and if i remember maybe bent some pushrods....then again im not sure how many miles were on his tranny.
I Shift at 6800! i have hit the rev limiter alot with this set up trying to figure out shfit points and have not had a problem yet! you only need to avoid the rev limiter in Nos setups becuz the rev limiter kills fuel to the motor allowing extra nitrous into the motor and then bang! its not a big deal when N/a! i have 34,000 mile son my tranny BTW!
BTW dont always believe what you read unless you have experienced it yourself! i have over 50 runs on my tranny with this cam and over 100 runs total!
BTW dont always believe what you read unless you have experienced it yourself! i have over 50 runs on my tranny with this cam and over 100 runs total!
Thanks for the feedback NxLS1496 
so it`s a must if I`m racing from a stop and want good times and runs and if I`m mostly racing from a role with 3.7`s I should be fine
my concerns was the 40-50 mph cruising with a higher stall and what I collected from reading about transmissions and higher stall on low rpm`s street use is the heat it produces and that say a 3500 stall should be 3500 or +3500 rpm when cruising and driving for a long time (again this is what I understood and I`m a no expert correct me if I`m wrong).
thanks again.
so it`s a must if I`m racing from a stop and want good times and runs and if I`m mostly racing from a role with 3.7`s I should be fine my concerns was the 40-50 mph cruising with a higher stall and what I collected from reading about transmissions and higher stall on low rpm`s street use is the heat it produces and that say a 3500 stall should be 3500 or +3500 rpm when cruising and driving for a long time (again this is what I understood and I`m a no expert correct me if I`m wrong).
thanks again.