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11-17-2006, 09:36 AM
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Because of the valve events, they are better for midrange trq production.
F14 (232/234 112) has a 53 IVO which pushes the trq band higher.
This is why the F14 will be required to spin higher to get similar numbers.
The lope is relative to idle and exhaust used as well, i can make that TR idle pretty mean if idle is lowered with open chamber muffler or cutout.
F14 (232/234 112) has a 53 IVO which pushes the trq band higher.
This is why the F14 will be required to spin higher to get similar numbers.
The lope is relative to idle and exhaust used as well, i can make that TR idle pretty mean if idle is lowered with open chamber muffler or cutout.
11-17-2006, 09:56 AM
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I think you ought to consider the TSP torquer V2 on a 112. I have been running one now for about 6 months and have been very well please with it. Works great with stock heads and even bettter with a set od PRC stage 1s.
11-17-2006, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
In any case, none of these cams will work unless you get stall and boltons first 
ill most likely end up with the tr230 because it seems it will have better power 4 the street
thanks predator
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11-17-2006, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by dedge
I think you ought to consider the TSP torquer V2 on a 112. I have been running one now for about 6 months and have been very well please with it. Works great with stock heads and even bettter with a set od PRC stage 1s.
i would rather deal with a local person if i can
11-17-2006, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by slammed1500
i am getting the boltons, maybe a 3200 stall and 3.42 or 3.73 gear
ill most likely end up with the tr230 because it seems it will have better power 4 the street
thanks predator
ill most likely end up with the tr230 because it seems it will have better power 4 the street
thanks predator
11-17-2006, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Geoff
Blake,
How do you figure that both of them will idle better than the TR230? Have you listened to mwill's car? His car is VERY tame. With a decent tune it will drive just like stock. Honestly there is no magic in any of these cams.
ANY of the above mentioned cams are going to need to be tuned to work properly. Between the TR230 and the F13 there have been threads on this board that would suggest that the power numbers would be similar. Look at people who haven't been on Thunder Racing or Futral's dyno. Independent results look similar for both cams.
Bottom line is that slamed1500 should buy the cam from whatever vendor gives him the best service and he feels most comfortable dealing with.
How do you figure that both of them will idle better than the TR230? Have you listened to mwill's car? His car is VERY tame. With a decent tune it will drive just like stock. Honestly there is no magic in any of these cams.
ANY of the above mentioned cams are going to need to be tuned to work properly. Between the TR230 and the F13 there have been threads on this board that would suggest that the power numbers would be similar. Look at people who haven't been on Thunder Racing or Futral's dyno. Independent results look similar for both cams.
Bottom line is that slamed1500 should buy the cam from whatever vendor gives him the best service and he feels most comfortable dealing with.
Geoff,
I didn't mean to slam anything from TR, I'm just giving my opinion on what I've seen. FMS's cams are known for being more tame than others, I know a lot of people who are dissapointed with how little they lope . My F-13(112) idles identically to Steve's (Jones) car with the TR224 in it, and the 2-3 cars I've seen with the 230 in them have had a substantially choppier idle than both the F-11 and F-13's that Ive had. Everything I said was my opinion, not trying to start an argument.
11-17-2006, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by LSUxBlake
Geoff,
I didn't mean to slam anything from TR, I'm just giving my opinion on what I've seen. FMS's cams are known for being more tame than others, I know a lot of people who are dissapointed with how little they lope . My F-13(112) idles identically to Steve's (Jones) car with the TR224 in it, and the 2-3 cars I've seen with the 230 in them have had a substantially choppier idle than both the F-11 and F-13's that Ive had. Everything I said was my opinion, not trying to start an argument.
I didn't mean to slam anything from TR, I'm just giving my opinion on what I've seen. FMS's cams are known for being more tame than others, I know a lot of people who are dissapointed with how little they lope . My F-13(112) idles identically to Steve's (Jones) car with the TR224 in it, and the 2-3 cars I've seen with the 230 in them have had a substantially choppier idle than both the F-11 and F-13's that Ive had. Everything I said was my opinion, not trying to start an argument.
I am not taking offense. No argument here. Steve Jones car had a Hypertech tune in it with the 224 cam. It would probably lope a little with what is basically a stock tune! Recently I have tuned several cars with the TR230 that have idled better than a lot of cars with 224 sized cams. If you listen to Mark's car it is pretty much dead calm and doesn't chop any more than Steve's car.
Open your mind up. You are an engineer and know that there is nothing magic in this world. ANYTHING related to a camshaft can be broken down to fairly simple math. Bottom line is that if you have 2 cams with the same amount of overlap in the same relationship to TDC, the idle quality is going to be the same. Not saying the TR230 and F13 are exactly the same, but they are close enough that I feel very comfortable saying there is nothing 'Magic' about the F13 idle qualities.
Lastly, I just wanted to back up any claims on my end with proof so that was the reason for the links to the other dyno threads. IMHO people who buy these cams and have them dyno tested at a third party shop are the real testament to the real world capabilities of either product.
