Generation III Internal Engine 1997-2006 LS1 | LS6
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Explain valve timing please

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Dec 6, 2001 | 02:55 PM
  #1  
Crazyquik's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Addict
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 2,556
Likes: 0
From: Nawf Carolina
Default Explain valve timing please

I see these valve timing numbers on cam cards but I dont really understand what they mean.

Lets use the Hammer cam as an example, since its pretty popular and there is a really nice pic of the cam card on John's page..



Intake opens at -1 BTDC and closes at 43 ABDC. Whats that mean? Is this a measure of crank rotation or what? Then Exhaust opens at 43 BBDC and closes at -1 ATDC. Does that mean that the exhuast begins to open 43 degrees before bottom dead center and then stay open for 179 more degrees? Wouldn't negative 1 ATDC actually be TDC?

I just now realize that if I add 180 for the distance from TDC to BDC to 43, and subtract 1 I get 222, which is the duration, but I could have the cam at 50 BBDC and -8 ATDC, how would that effect power?

J.
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2001 | 05:16 PM
  #2  
ChrisB's Avatar
TECH Addict
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 2,207
Likes: 0
From: College Station, Tx
Default Re: Explain valve timing please

BTDC = Before top dead center
ATDC = After top dead center
BBDC = Before Bottom deat center
ABDC = After bottom dead center

This tells you at what crankshaft degrees the following events occur, in relation to TDC and BDC. if it's 0.050 numbers then it will be the rotational position with respect to TDC and BDC where each valve is at 0.050 lift.

Chris
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2001 | 06:19 PM
  #3  
Crazyquik's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Addict
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 2,556
Likes: 0
From: Nawf Carolina
Default Re: Explain valve timing please

Ok but what effect does moving the open and closing around BDC and TDC have? You can have the same duration, but have them opening and closing earlier and later. Is that what it means to have timing ground into the cam?
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2001 | 09:54 PM
  #4  
ChrisB's Avatar
TECH Addict
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 2,207
Likes: 0
From: College Station, Tx
Default Re: Explain valve timing please

[quote] You can have the same duration, but have them opening and closing earlier and later. Is that what it means to have timing ground into the cam? <hr></blockquote>

Yep - if you keep the lobes the same but just make all the events earlier or sooner - well, if you change the relationship between the intake and exhaust lobe (e.g. keep the exhaust the same, but make all the intake events come xxx degrees sooner/later) then you are changing the LSA
If you move all the events (intake and exhaust) then you are changing the amount of ground in advance.

As for what they do - intake opening and exhaust closing are the primary determinants of overlap - the sooner the intake opens the more overlap you have - but also more "time" to fill the intake.

Intake closing has the largest effect on dynamic compression - the sooner it closes the higher your peak compression numbers - but you also have less time to fill the cylinder - so it's a tradeoff (and if you close it to soon your compression numbers will drop because you simply aren't filling the cylinder with anything to compress).

Exhaust opening will primarily determine how effective your exhaust evacuation is - the sooner you open it the more power you are robbing from your compression stroke - but then if you don't open it soon enough you will not be able to fully evacuate the cylinder so your next charge filling will be contaminated.

The valve events themselves are just as important, if not more, than the duration numbers - though bother are derived from the other each looks at the situation a little differently.

As you can see every event is a compromise - compression vs. charge filling, overlap vs. contamination, evxhaust evacuations vs. power stroke.

This is the big reason why cams make power at different RPM's. There will probably be a particular massflow balance that is optimal at each of these points. Unfortunately they are not referenced vs. time/flow, but crankshaft degrees. 15 degrees of overlap at 1000 rpm may be 15msec, while at 5000 rpm it's only 3 msec. Now even though the piston is moving faster you still have much less time to achieve the flow - so depending on how many crankshaft degrees you give for an event it will be "happiest" at some rpm point.


Chris Bennight
Reply




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:59 AM.

story-0
Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

Slideshow: This heavily modified 1971 Camaro mixes classic muscle car styling with a fifth-generation Camaro interior and modern LS3 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:06:42


VIEW MORE
story-1
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

Slideshow: From wobbling harmonic balancers to failed EBCMs, these are the issues that define long-term C5 ownership and what repairs typically involve.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-07 18:44:57


VIEW MORE
story-2
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-4
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


VIEW MORE
story-5
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


VIEW MORE
story-6
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

Slideshow: A one-off sports car that looks like a vintage Italian exotic-but hides a C6 Corvette underneath-just sold for the price of a new mid-engine Corvette.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-23 18:53:41


VIEW MORE
story-7
Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power

Slideshow: A heavily reworked 1972 K5 Blazer swaps its off-road roots for a low-slung street-focused build with modern V8 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-09 18:08:45


VIEW MORE
story-8
10 Camaros You Should Never Buy

Slideshow: There are thousands of used Camaros on the market but we think you should avoid these 10

By | 2026-02-17 17:09:30


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 LS Engine Myths That Refuse to Die

Slideshows: Which one of these myths do you believe?

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-01-28 18:10:11


VIEW MORE