TR227 questions...
TR227 questions... Whats up guys. its time for a cam. im pretty sure ive made up my mind and want to go with the TR227/224-114. just have a few questions though..
1. The car is my daily driver so i was wondering what kind of gas milage and driveability i could count on. my buddy has a TR224 in his car, and it drives great. is there going to be a big difference between the two?
2. It will probably take me a couple months so save some more money for a good tune, but in the meantime i have a crane programmer that has the 4 different tunes on it or whatever. Will that make it drive a little better until i can afford the tune?
3. With the cam do you recommend getting either the titanium rockers, or dual valve springs?
any help is appreciated...if you can think of anything else i should now about this cam, let me know. thanks
-Derek
1. The car is my daily driver so i was wondering what kind of gas milage and driveability i could count on. my buddy has a TR224 in his car, and it drives great. is there going to be a big difference between the two?
2. It will probably take me a couple months so save some more money for a good tune, but in the meantime i have a crane programmer that has the 4 different tunes on it or whatever. Will that make it drive a little better until i can afford the tune?
3. With the cam do you recommend getting either the titanium rockers, or dual valve springs?
any help is appreciated...if you can think of anything else i should now about this cam, let me know. thanks
-Derek
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1-The difference between the two is marginal.
2- Yes you can use the Crane for the meanwhile (cam 3 program if I'm not mistaken), but it sets shiftpint at 6100 by default and cannot be raised any further. The only downfall of this handheld IMO, otherwise great tuning tool for medium cams.
3- you mean Titanium retainers? Yes if you have the dough with 918's, otherwise just 918's.
2- Yes you can use the Crane for the meanwhile (cam 3 program if I'm not mistaken), but it sets shiftpint at 6100 by default and cannot be raised any further. The only downfall of this handheld IMO, otherwise great tuning tool for medium cams.
3- you mean Titanium retainers? Yes if you have the dough with 918's, otherwise just 918's.
I just removed a tr227/224 2 mos ago. My car was very mild mannered and damn near sounded stock. The tune was easy. If youre interested, I still have the cam and would be willing to sell it. I would say that this cam would be very drivable with an auto and a stock stall even. BTW, 918 springs would be more than enough to handle this cam.
well shift points and a stock stall wont apply to me (6 speed) so it seems like i would be ok to use the programmer for a month or two then right?
whoops yea i meant to type retainers, dont know i got rockers got in there?? haha
So your saying this cam doesnt have a very loby idle? thats something i wanted haha. do you think i shoud go with the 112 lsa then?
whoops yea i meant to type retainers, dont know i got rockers got in there?? haha
So your saying this cam doesnt have a very loby idle? thats something i wanted haha. do you think i shoud go with the 112 lsa then?
i had that cam it was a great daily driver cam. I decided i could tolerate something bigger though, so i went with a 233/239 From TSP. I couldnt be happier with this cam, and i drive 700 miles a week with it. You wont be unsatisfied witht he TR227 though, it made great power under the curve, and drove almost stock. I drove it for months untuned without too many issues...
Originally Posted by 2 SSlow
i had that cam it was a great daily driver cam. I decided i could tolerate something bigger though, so i went with a 233/239 From TSP. I couldnt be happier with this cam, and i drive 700 miles a week with it. You wont be unsatisfied witht he TR227 though, it made great power under the curve, and drove almost stock. I drove it for months untuned without too many issues...
really? i havnt really looked into the tsp cams that much. do you have a link where i could check them out? how do they lobe at idle. also will the 918's work with this cam as well. thanks alot.
-Derek
http://www.texas-speed.com/shop/cate...MID=1&catid=44
If you want to run a cam like i have, you will have to have a high tolerance for a modified car... I have a good tune so the driveability is fine, but you are going to ahve some valvetrain noise (i acctually have less with this cam over the TR227), the car shakes at an idle a little, not to bad, but definatly noticable. It lacks a little low-end power, but it puts a smile on my face evertime i stand on it over 3000 rpm in any gear. Do your reseach on your cam choice, and do it one time... Learn from other peoples mistakes.
If you want to run a cam like i have, you will have to have a high tolerance for a modified car... I have a good tune so the driveability is fine, but you are going to ahve some valvetrain noise (i acctually have less with this cam over the TR227), the car shakes at an idle a little, not to bad, but definatly noticable. It lacks a little low-end power, but it puts a smile on my face evertime i stand on it over 3000 rpm in any gear. Do your reseach on your cam choice, and do it one time... Learn from other peoples mistakes.
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Originally Posted by Blk97WS6
really? i havnt really looked into the tsp cams that much. do you have a link where i could check them out? how do they lobe at idle. also will the 918's work with this cam as well. thanks alot.
-Derek
-Derek
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Verdad Gallardo awesome thanks guys. yea im leaning toward the 112 lsa now since i want a nice lobe at idle. my buddy has the tr224 with a 112 lsa and i love the way his car sounds at idle.
Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
The lope is relative to mostly overlap.
TR 224 112lsa is 0* overlap whaile a 227/224 112 = 1.5* overlap so the 227 will lope slightly more.
TR 224 112lsa is 0* overlap whaile a 227/224 112 = 1.5* overlap so the 227 will lope slightly more.
awesome so it sounds like ill like the 227/224 with the 112 lsa. it seems like a streetable cam and it will sound good. and if the powerband is like the 224 i think ill be satisfied with it. i was also looking around on texas-speed and was looking at the 228R cam. any opinions on that one.
what im planning on getting is:
1.either the 227/224 or the TSP 228R
2.918 valve springs
3.some hardend pushrods
4.i guess ill use the stock retainers unless you think thats going to be a problem
5. LS6 oil pump
6. A new fuel pump (want one anyway for more spray)
7 and i think i will replace the timing chain
Anything else im forgetting or you think ill need?
Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
What you need is the TR230/224 on a 111LSA, 918's will work fine.
+1, if i were going to do a "smallish" cam that would be it. It sounds nasty, and driveability is it pretty good as well. A friend of mine had that cam, had a nasty idle, it sounds like its a HUGE cam.
Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
Advanced 1* in the grind for proper valve events. This means that cam should be degreed at that ICL as well.
im not that smart when it comes to all this cam talking
cam for an a4 stock converter
Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
What you need is the TR230/224 on a 111LSA, 918's will work fine.
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Originally Posted by mullenh
Pred; with an A4 and a stock converter in my setup I am limited vs a mnaual trans. What is my limit without changing the converter, car is street driven.
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Basicaly any cam with 0* overlap or less (cams that will run with 600>650 idle)