The LS1 EWP is out
12-19-2001, 09:35 PM
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The LS1 EWP is out Its on that other board. LOL
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Well, for those of you who have waited for this day, it's finally here. The Jay Fisher Pontiac (JFP)/Joe Prince Racing (JPR) Billet Electric Water Pump is now scheduled for production and available to the public. All of the testing, measuring and pricing is finally done. We know it's been a long time coming, but wait was worth it. Pricing has been set at $849.95, which includes everything necessary to install the complete assembly in a matter of hours. Installation should take no more then four hours, beginning to end. The hardest part of the whole installation will be assembling the braided lines. Every other part of the installation is straight forward and requires no special tools or mechanical abilities. The JFP/JPR pump works on all vehicles equipped with an LS1 engine, such as all 1997-2002 Corvettes and V8-equipped 1998-2002 Camaros and Firebirds. This pump will also work on all LS1-derivative engine, too, such as the 4.8-, 5.3- and 6.0-liter engines found in most 1999-2002 GM full-size trucks and sport utilities. The parts includes with the JFP/JPR Electric Water Pump are as follows:
1) Pump Body with required fittings and gaskets
2) Remote-mount pump with all electrical attachments and mounting parts
3) Five feet of braided line
4) All fittings required to connect the remote-mount pump to the housing body
5) Plug to replace the temperature sensor when relocating it from the cylinder head to the water pump body.
Testing has confirmed of an average ET reduction of two-tenths, and a gain of two mph in the quarter mile. These figures were accomplished on two stock 1999 6-speed Trans Ams and a modified 2000 Camaro SS, equipped with an automatic. When the improved times were accomplished on these vehicles, none of them had received any other changes besides the installation of the water pump. It was also found that by removing the accessory belt, a function you can perform safely with this pump, an additional ET reduction of 1.5 tenths and a gain of 1.5 mph was had. The JFP/JPR Electric Waterpump is a must for car with increased cylinder pressure and, or higher operating temperatures, such as supercharged, or turbocharged cars. LS1-powered vehicles equipped with increased compression and, or larger displacement engines are also great candidates for this pump. Although the JFP/JPR Electric Water Pump is an off-road design, it still retains full functionality for unsurpassed reliability and streetability.
I lifted from that other board happy reading.
Tom M.
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Here is some info.
Well, for those of you who have waited for this day, it's finally here. The Jay Fisher Pontiac (JFP)/Joe Prince Racing (JPR) Billet Electric Water Pump is now scheduled for production and available to the public. All of the testing, measuring and pricing is finally done. We know it's been a long time coming, but wait was worth it. Pricing has been set at $849.95, which includes everything necessary to install the complete assembly in a matter of hours. Installation should take no more then four hours, beginning to end. The hardest part of the whole installation will be assembling the braided lines. Every other part of the installation is straight forward and requires no special tools or mechanical abilities. The JFP/JPR pump works on all vehicles equipped with an LS1 engine, such as all 1997-2002 Corvettes and V8-equipped 1998-2002 Camaros and Firebirds. This pump will also work on all LS1-derivative engine, too, such as the 4.8-, 5.3- and 6.0-liter engines found in most 1999-2002 GM full-size trucks and sport utilities. The parts includes with the JFP/JPR Electric Water Pump are as follows:
1) Pump Body with required fittings and gaskets
2) Remote-mount pump with all electrical attachments and mounting parts
3) Five feet of braided line
4) All fittings required to connect the remote-mount pump to the housing body
5) Plug to replace the temperature sensor when relocating it from the cylinder head to the water pump body.
Testing has confirmed of an average ET reduction of two-tenths, and a gain of two mph in the quarter mile. These figures were accomplished on two stock 1999 6-speed Trans Ams and a modified 2000 Camaro SS, equipped with an automatic. When the improved times were accomplished on these vehicles, none of them had received any other changes besides the installation of the water pump. It was also found that by removing the accessory belt, a function you can perform safely with this pump, an additional ET reduction of 1.5 tenths and a gain of 1.5 mph was had. The JFP/JPR Electric Waterpump is a must for car with increased cylinder pressure and, or higher operating temperatures, such as supercharged, or turbocharged cars. LS1-powered vehicles equipped with increased compression and, or larger displacement engines are also great candidates for this pump. Although the JFP/JPR Electric Water Pump is an off-road design, it still retains full functionality for unsurpassed reliability and streetability.
I lifted from that other board happy reading.
Tom M.
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12-19-2001, 10:06 PM
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Re: The LS1 EWP is out Damn thats expensive but I want that thing, LOL. Hmmm lets see if I can find that credit card. <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
What if the thing fails? I would have to hook up some kind of warning light. Can I run it when the ignition is off?
I want my money back if I don't get .2ths! <img src="graemlins/gr_punch.gif" border="0" alt="[fight]" /> <img src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" border="0" alt="[devil]" />
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What if the thing fails? I would have to hook up some kind of warning light. Can I run it when the ignition is off?
I want my money back if I don't get .2ths! <img src="graemlins/gr_punch.gif" border="0" alt="[fight]" /> <img src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" border="0" alt="[devil]" />
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12-19-2001, 10:09 PM
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Re: The LS1 EWP is out $849.95! <img src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" border="0"> Surely that's a joke or something? You can't charge a Stage 1 port job for a freaking water pump!!!! <img src="gr_eek2.gif" border="0"> <img src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" border="0" alt="[guns]" /> $849.95
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Re: The LS1 EWP is out **** the ls1 and all its aftermarket pieces! 850 for a water pump. i KNOW it will be of high quality and i dont doubt joe princes knowledge, but 2 tenths? puh-lease! and 1.5 from no belt. i dont know about this. id like to see back to back runs in the SAME weather to prove the 1.5 tenths. i know we wont see proof of the 2 tenth gain on back to back runs, similar weather.
12-19-2001, 11:21 PM
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Re: The LS1 EWP is out Good God, $850 !!!!!!! That is absurd, I make a decent amount of money but that price for the performance is pretty darn rediculous and only a fool or someone with a ton of cash to blow would pay that kind of $$$. I was really excited waiting for this EWP but expected a price in the $400-500 area - which is still pricey but at least tolerable. I'm sure someone could figure out how to rig a Meziere EWP to work effectively.
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12-20-2001, 12:28 AM
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Re: The LS1 EWP is out 0.2 secs...
On a stock Camaro, that's about 20hp. No way the factory pump is pulling 20hp more than an electric pump.
So much of the gain must be from differences in head cooling. I've run my car when it's HOT and when it's cool, and I haven't seen that big of a difference, but there might be.
If the results are repeatable, it will be:
$900/20hp=$45/hp slightly higher than the "McRat Threshold of Pain" of $40/hp.
But for me, the point is moot, because I can't run aftermarket waterpumps in ESP class.
Does sound interesting though.
On a stock Camaro, that's about 20hp. No way the factory pump is pulling 20hp more than an electric pump.
So much of the gain must be from differences in head cooling. I've run my car when it's HOT and when it's cool, and I haven't seen that big of a difference, but there might be.
If the results are repeatable, it will be:
$900/20hp=$45/hp slightly higher than the "McRat Threshold of Pain" of $40/hp.
But for me, the point is moot, because I can't run aftermarket waterpumps in ESP class.
Does sound interesting though.
12-20-2001, 01:12 AM
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Re: The LS1 EWP is out I'm putting this in that category of a CF driveshaft..... Most guys would love to have one but not for the price. This would be good for the guy that has done every possible mod and needs a little more to get 10's.
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12-20-2001, 02:40 AM
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Re: The LS1 EWP is out Removal of the accessory belt gains an additional 1.5 mph? Riiiiiiiiight <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0"> The short belt picks up what, .03? I really doubt the 1.5 mph claim if the parasitic loss from spinning the pump has already been taken care of by the first 2 mph...
Didnt they claim earlier on LS1.com that the car actually sat noticably higher because of the massive weight reduction of this piece? Sounds like a bunch of BS to me...
Oh well, there is bound to be several C5 owners with money laying around for one of these <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
NickG <img src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" border="0" alt="[devil]" />
Didnt they claim earlier on LS1.com that the car actually sat noticably higher because of the massive weight reduction of this piece? Sounds like a bunch of BS to me...
Oh well, there is bound to be several C5 owners with money laying around for one of these <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
NickG <img src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" border="0" alt="[devil]" />
12-20-2001, 07:47 AM
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Re: The LS1 EWP is out I think most of that .2 gain they claim comes just from having cool looking braided hoses under the hood. The other .15 is probably from a sticker. <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0"> <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
Seriously though, I knew this thing would be expensive, but $850? Please...
Seriously though, I knew this thing would be expensive, but $850? Please...
12-20-2001, 07:59 AM
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Re: The LS1 EWP is out What a total joke. Yeah yeah they spent time testing it and developing it, but the claims sound like SLP claims. And the price? WOW!!! If people buy this, then i'm changing what I do for a living.
12-20-2001, 08:34 AM
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Re: The LS1 EWP is out I'm using the 4# pulley on my powerdyne right now, and since it's not intercooled I get some knock with pump gas as the IATs get over 140, plus the engine runs too hot because of the rotten fan setup. If this thing would let me run 6#s unintercooled, pump gas, with no knock, and lower my engine temps by 20 degrees, I think it will be worth ALOT more than 20 HP to me.....
question is, is it $800 worth of HP???
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question is, is it $800 worth of HP???
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12-20-2001, 08:49 AM
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Re: The LS1 EWP is out [quote]Originally posted by MitchR:
<strong>I'm putting this in that category of a CF driveshaft..... Most guys would love to have one but not for the price. This would be good for the guy that has done every possible mod and needs a little more to get 10's.
Mitch R.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ditto!
<strong>I'm putting this in that category of a CF driveshaft..... Most guys would love to have one but not for the price. This would be good for the guy that has done every possible mod and needs a little more to get 10's.
Mitch R.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ditto!
12-20-2001, 09:40 AM
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Re: The LS1 EWP is out George and Scotts posts reflect my personal thoughts EXACTLY.
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I think most of that .2 gain they claim comes just from having cool looking braided hoses under the hood. The other .15 is probably from a sticker. Seriously though, I knew this thing would be expensive, but $850? Please...
George C
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What a total joke. Yeah yeah they spent time testing it and developing it, but the claims sound like SLP claims. And the price? WOW!!! If people buy this, then i'm changing what I do for a living
Scott99Z
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I'm sorry but this sounds too "SLPish" for me. 3.5 tenths? From a water pump mod? He is saying I would with no other changes go from a 10.86 to a 10.51??? Tell y'all what. I would try it out. If it worked... I would pay double the price. But I just cant see it happening. 3.5 tenths from nothing but a water pump mod?
The offer stands... I would pay double the price if it dropped me 3.5 tenths. But I get it free if it dont. <img src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" border="0">
John "Skeptical, to say the least" Campbell
[ December 20, 2001: Message edited by: Raughammer ]</p>
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I think most of that .2 gain they claim comes just from having cool looking braided hoses under the hood. The other .15 is probably from a sticker. Seriously though, I knew this thing would be expensive, but $850? Please...
George C
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What a total joke. Yeah yeah they spent time testing it and developing it, but the claims sound like SLP claims. And the price? WOW!!! If people buy this, then i'm changing what I do for a living
Scott99Z
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I'm sorry but this sounds too "SLPish" for me. 3.5 tenths? From a water pump mod? He is saying I would with no other changes go from a 10.86 to a 10.51??? Tell y'all what. I would try it out. If it worked... I would pay double the price. But I just cant see it happening. 3.5 tenths from nothing but a water pump mod?
The offer stands... I would pay double the price if it dropped me 3.5 tenths. But I get it free if it dont. <img src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" border="0">
John "Skeptical, to say the least" Campbell
[ December 20, 2001: Message edited by: Raughammer ]</p>