blackssmagic

I am putting in the ASA cam specs are
226/232 @ 50 566/566 110 lsa. Do you like it, is the car gonna sound nice and lumpy and about what kind of power are you getting. I also have the heads and SLP longtubes going in next week.

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Crazyquik

I dont know of anyone who's used this cam in a street car or drag car. Do you have an A4 or M6? Is it a daily driver or just a weekend toy/drag toy? You will definently need computer tuning with this cam and an A4, and probably so with an M6. It is going to chop like a lumberjack at a stoplight unless you have a very high idle speed. Especially if you have a pretty loud exhuast. The midrange pull caused by the 110 LSA around 4000ish rpms should be awesome since this cam is mainly for short track ASA cars that need to getting off the corners fast. The ASA cars have a redline of 6800, so expect peak power a few hundred rpm earlier.

The cam is .525" lift with stock rockers, or .556 with 1.8s.

Forget about this cam if you have to pass emissions.

J.

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ExtremeZ28

i would think if you didnt get custom programming that thing would have a HELL of time trying to idle right....

Raughammer

I would'nt use that cam for money or love in a "street car".

Just my opinion.

blackssmagic

Well i only drive the car as a weekend toy, it is also a M6. The shop that is doing all the work for me doesnt think that there will be any problems with it passing emmissions. Should i not go with it then. I want to get this right the first time.

Crazyquik

The ASA cars have a fuel cutoff at 6800, max hp at 6200 according to GM.

blackssmagic

Well what i am going to do is be one of the first to try it, whats the worst that can happen. I am going to upgrade the valvetrain and get the pcm reprogrammed. After checking around i think it might work. Well if it works and makes ungodly power then hell yes. And on the smog thing he said he would smog the car for me so not to worry. Vegas gotta love it.

Crazyquik

[quote]Originally posted by blackssmagic:
<strong> whats the worst that can happen. I am going to upgrade the valvetrain and get the pcm reprogrammed. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Worst that can happen, idle like hell and surge. Then if you have to raise the idle speed real high, its gonna suck a lot of gas. Then if you get pissed and get another cam, you're out of the 450 or whatever the ASA cam cost.

Carlitos

[quote]Originally posted by blackssmagic:
<strong>Well what i am going to do is be one of the first to try it,</strong><hr></blockquote>

Quite a few people have already tried it. That's what everyone that has replied to your post based their advice on. I really hope this works out for you. Keep us posted.

blackssmagic

My big thing is i am not going to be using a supercharger or nitrous so i wanted as much power as possible. The other cam I was looking at was the MMS 229 but on a 112 lsa and not a 114 lsa. After talking to a few different people they all said that there isnt that much of a difference in the two cams. See i dont know **** about this stuff. That is why i posted to see about some advice. I thought for sure that somebody would have tryed this cam and could make a suggestion. With it only being a weekend toy i want to stomp the crap out of these local stang owners.

allblackSS

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Hey i have the comp cams 566 566 112 lobe seperation it has very good power all the way through and i havent tuned it yet, it idles really choppy it has a big lope to it. Mine is a six speed and i sdo plan to ghet the computer tunig but so far it runs and idles fine without it i know this isnt the same cam but close. just thought i try to help a little

BUBBA

Raughammer

[quote]Originally posted by blackssmagic:
<strong>My big thing is i am not going to be using a supercharger or nitrous so i wanted as much power as possible. The other cam I was looking at was the MMS 229 but on a 112 lsa and not a 114 lsa. After talking to a few different people they all said that there isnt that much of a difference in the two cams. See i dont know **** about this stuff. That is why i posted to see about some advice. I thought for sure that somebody would have tryed this cam and could make a suggestion. With it only being a weekend toy i want to stomp the crap out of these local stang owners.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hey, a few words of advice, it is better to UNDER CAM than to over cam. You are on your way to some serious OVER CAMMAGE. Dont do it. If you were VERY camshaft savvy.. and had a handle on how much to port the throttle blade, differences in MAF's, how to read and use an Autotap to tune your car. Then I would be much less hesitant about you using a BIG cam. BIG cams are a PITA, especially to a relatively unexperianced tuner. Choose something a bit smaller.
Find a car that is performing like you wish your car was performing and emulate him. A newbie with cam problems (surging, poor idle, dying at start up, low torque, spring problems) is just sad. They are in over their heads and cant get out of trouble without buying another 350 dollar cam and then hiring someone to swap them out. It is MUCH better to be under cammed then OVER cammed. I assure you.
Get a bigger converter (if you were an A4), more gear, stickier tires, lighter combo, etc... but a BIGGER cam? nah... choose another path amigo.

Good Luck.

Raughammer

Jason99T/A

iTrader: (21)

I agree with John on this. It is WAY better to undercam a car than overcam one. There are just too many street cams that will drive better and make just as good power. If you are doing this to experiment and be different, go for it. I just think you would be much better off w/ a TR 224 or a B1 cam. But, it's your car....LOL

Crazyquik

I hate to badmouth ppl, but this is the same shop that told you stock springs, pushrods, and retainers would be fine. First off the stock cam could use a little bit stronger spring, so no way a stock spring will hold up to this cam. This cam will have a higher powerband, so you'll want stronger springs and better pushrods as well. The more posts I see you make, the worse this cam seems for you. I've seen it used in lots of race cars both road course and of course the ASA oval track cars. I've never seen it used in a street car, much less a daily driver. That 110 LSA really makes it hard to get it to idle at a halfway desent level. The more posts you make the more I think a cam in the 221-224 duration area with a 112 LSA would be good. Some people daily drive on a 222 or 224 cam with a 112 LSA. Since its just a weekend toy, you could probably go with a little bigger (but it will raise your powerband more). A good question is where do you want to shift at? 6400, 6600, 6800?

LS1powerN20

It will sound nice, but it will be incredibly difficult to get it to idle without surging. You will have to raise the idle to probably 900 rpm. and you'll have to spin the engine up to about 7000 to achieve max power.

Raughammer

TTT

Black Sunshine/ 00SS

iTrader: (1)

The worse that could happen is that you pick the wrong cam, & get some piston to valve mating, & that's not a good thing. Blown motor, pistons, valves, & you'll be looking at big $$ for a new motor. Good luck.

Pro Stock John

iTrader: (34)

Why not try it. Make sure you check piston to valve clearance etc.

ARE has had two LS1s run with 110 LSAs.

I had two 111 lsa camshafts.

Might take you a day or two to figure out the idle but I'd like too see what happens, none of us have ever tried that cam.

It will lope like the devil though. <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">

Fireball

iTrader: (21)

I was just reading this thread...I was thinking about stuffing an ASA cam in mine...

Just for sh%ts and giggles <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">

I think with my drivetrain setup (lots of gear) this would make for an interesting cam haha...

I'm thinking that the low-lift properties of the cam would make an interesting combo with stock head ports <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">

GM part number 12480110 ($326 from GM Parts Direct) I think I can get it locally for the same price <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">

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gfbrown

Chris - I am a relatively new member of this forum and there are a couple of things you might want to consider:

Raughammer and others here are giving you VERY consistent advice. These guys have much more experience than the rest of us and although I may go a different way on some things, I absolutely recommend that you consider their point of view.

I have been research this myself as I have been preparing for a stage 2 h/c job in the next couple of weeks.

If you are a trust fund adult and have lots of money to burn then I guess you could go the way of the 229 cam.

Personally, I've decided on a 224 because I want it to idle well and cams above that DON'T idle well.

One more thing, you REALLY need to consider WHO is doing this work for you. Be careful buddy. I overcammed a car over 30 years ago and boy did I pay for it...several times.

Don't let your enthusiasm for hp screw up your good judgement.

gary <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">