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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 01:25 PM
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I know a stall is the way to go, but I do not want one yet. Before you say "Hey, get a stall." read the rest of this post. I am looking into putting a cam into my 2001 A4 and I was wondering what is the biggest you can go on a stock stall converter? I want a cam with more torque down low than anything (2,000-5,000 rpm range). What would you suggest? Let me know of any setups that you have seen that are similar to what I am asking. Also, I will be getting it tuned if that makes a difference in how large you can go.

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this is the second thread of it's kind today, try a search.
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instead of just saying try a search everytime, if we know where the other thread is maybe we should just help each out sometimes so here's a link man

https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=623140
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look at the GM hot cam or something in the higher 21x/21x range, probably on a 114-116 lsa. i would think this would work with the stock converter though i'm not positive
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I would get a 3500 stall first then start looking into cams, just my opinion. But if you are looking into to cams look at a ZO6 cam or the Hot cam with stock converter

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I ran a .595/.595 232/232 on 112+4 with stock stall when my verter was getting rebuild. Drove just fine, didnt die once.


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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 03:27 PM
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The GT2-3 cam will give you 25/30 HP over stock and Idle better than stock.It's a little bigger than the LS6 cam and is a great baby cam. You can also use the Z06 springs.

GT2-3: 207/220,.571/.578, 118.5 LSA
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Like you'll read many times, Changing the converter will make your car faster than a Cam swap on a stock converter.Also a converter should be changed before a Cam swap.
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Originally Posted by ArrestMeRed99Z28
this is the second thread of it's kind today, try a search.
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"I want a cam with more torque down low than anything (2,000-5,000 rpm range). What would you suggest?" Please read the whole thing. I wanted to know what other people had/ liked. Either make a suggestion or don't post at all, d-bag. Thanks. Moving on...I don't want to put a different stall in my car right now, that is the whole point. I know that a stall will drop 1/4 times like nothing, but I don't have the money for that right now. I will probably look into the hotcam or something like that. For those that actually helped, thank you.
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Originally Posted by Slowhawk
Like you'll read many times, Changing the converter will make your car faster than a Cam swap on a stock converter.Also a converter should be changed before a Cam swap.



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For your rpm range you need a tight LSA cam with an early IVC. How big, that's a matter of what idle speed and idle quality you are willing to accept. something like a 214/220 113 110 would get some grunt at 2000 rpm but run out of breath in the higher rpms. You'll make it idle easily at 750. A little bigger: 218/220 112 110.

Both can use an XFI intake lobe and Xer exhaust lobe. You still should do a converter instead of this, but these will do what you are asking for.
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Originally Posted by lt1formula2000
instead of just saying try a search everytime, if we know where the other thread is maybe we should just help each out sometimes so here's a link man

https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=623140

I was going to say the same thing.
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Originally Posted by B4CU
I don't want to put a different stall in my car right now, that is the whole point. I know that a stall will drop 1/4 times like nothing, but I don't have the money for that right now. I will probably look into the hotcam or something like that.
Since money is an issue, have you priced all the parts for a proper cam swap? Thunder Racing's packages start at 599.99 for their 220/220 114 cam with single springs. Thats about the best you do to make power from 2000 - 5000. Add an oil pump, gaskets and timing set (all recommended) and you're talking another $200 - $250 or so. If you're paying for the labor, factor that in too.

On the other hand, converters start at about $500 plus much less labor to install. Then you are ready later when you decide to get a cam.

Just something to think about
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Originally Posted by hammertime
Since money is an issue, have you priced all the parts for a proper cam swap? Thunder Racing's packages start at 599.99 for their 220/220 114 cam with single springs. Thats about the best you do to make power from 2000 - 5000. Add an oil pump, gaskets and timing set (all recommended) and you're talking another $200 - $250 or so. If you're paying for the labor, factor that in too.

On the other hand, converters start at about $500 plus much less labor to install. Then you are ready later when you decide to get a cam.

Just something to think about
I already have a ported LS6 double roller from a swap that I was going to do and then decided against. I am going to get used springs pretty cheap and a cam is easier than a stall. I would want a good converter which would cost more than $500. Throw in the diff. cover, deep pan, cooler, and shift kit and you got yourself quite an expensive/ time consuming project. Also, I don't want my tranny to blow up any time soon.
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Originally Posted by lt1formula2000
instead of just saying try a search everytime, if we know where the other thread is maybe we should just help each out sometimes so here's a link man

https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=623140
Your link is for this thread. I don't know if that was supposed to be funny or something or if you did it on accident.
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Get A Stall!
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Originally Posted by B4CU
I already have a ported LS6 double roller from a swap that I was going to do and then decided against. I am going to get used springs pretty cheap and a cam is easier than a stall. I would want a good converter which would cost more than $500. Throw in the diff. cover, deep pan, cooler, and shift kit and you got yourself quite an expensive/ time consuming project. Also, I don't want my tranny to blow up any time soon.
Looks like you have researched this pretty well...

Good luck to you with the build!

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Originally Posted by slick1851
Get A Stall!
Brilliant! Why didn't I think of that? So are you going to mail me a new tranny in about five months?
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Originally Posted by hammertime
Looks like you have researched this pretty well...

Good luck to you with the build!

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Yeah, I don't just post without knowing a little something first. I really do wish I could do a stall. Thanks for the suggestions.
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i have a 99 ss a4 with stock stall and a gm hot cam and after tuning and setting idle to 750 it does great. Bottom end is great but also have 3.73s so that makes some difference. Run the car with 315s on the rear and they won't hold the road in first gear and spin pretty good shifting into second. But if you get this cam make sure you get a good tune other wise it is a headache to drive, bad idle and dying. that 750 idle is without drilling a hole in throttle body as well. but if i had it to do over again don't think i would mess with a cam with this much overlap. would probably do a Z06 cam instead. My $.02



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