switching from Hotcam to T1
Re: switching from Hotcam to T1 115 with stock blah balh, why dont you compare apples to apples. come one. you really think that stock ls1 run that hard? good grief. come on chap! a hotcam car can run much faster if you mod the hell out of it or weight reduction, etc. obviously you have done quite a bit of work into your car. if done the same thing, then you would be running much faster.
also, i want to see a dyno that compares the T1 to hotcam and i want to see this 20 RWHP difference in midrange! come on. lots of talkers, where is the results. i want to learn.
also, i want to see a dyno that compares the T1 to hotcam and i want to see this 20 RWHP difference in midrange! come on. lots of talkers, where is the results. i want to learn.
Re: switching from Hotcam to T1 Gator, I wasn't flaming anybody who runs the Hotcam. But I have seen, driven, and riden in a few Hotcammed LS1's. They were not impressive (no offense Richard lol )
[quote]115 with stock blah balh, why dont you compare apples to apples<hr></blockquote>
Apples to apples? If anything, my car is at the disadvantage with that comparison. I have a stock motored car, and I am comparing it to cars with modded internals. I don't see how that makes sense?
[quote]a hotcam car can run much faster if you mod the hell out of it or weight reduction, etc. <hr></blockquote>
Any car can be made faster when you "mod the hell out of it or weight reduction". BTW, what does your car run? <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
[quote]obviously you have done quite a bit of work into your car. if done the same thing, then you would be running much faster.<hr></blockquote>
Quite a bit of work? Lets see here.....Unported Macs/ORP, lid, pullies, free mods, and drag radials. I ran a best of 114.9 mph with that setup, with only the pass. seat removed for weight reduction. My car tipped the scales at 3565 that same day. Lots of work? I hope you don't consider that "lots of work". Do I sense jealously in your post?
[quote]also, i want to see a dyno that compares the T1 to hotcam and i want to see this 20 RWHP difference in midrange! come on. lots of talkers, where is the results. i want to learn.<hr></blockquote>
Do a search. There are T1 cammed cars making 430+ rwhp with a good set of heads. Are there any Hotcammed cars making this much power w/ heads?
Chill bro, I am not stepping on your toes. Simply calling them how I have seen them for the past 6 yrs of modding f-bodies.
[quote]115 with stock blah balh, why dont you compare apples to apples<hr></blockquote>
Apples to apples? If anything, my car is at the disadvantage with that comparison. I have a stock motored car, and I am comparing it to cars with modded internals. I don't see how that makes sense?
[quote]a hotcam car can run much faster if you mod the hell out of it or weight reduction, etc. <hr></blockquote>
Any car can be made faster when you "mod the hell out of it or weight reduction". BTW, what does your car run? <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
[quote]obviously you have done quite a bit of work into your car. if done the same thing, then you would be running much faster.<hr></blockquote>
Quite a bit of work? Lets see here.....Unported Macs/ORP, lid, pullies, free mods, and drag radials. I ran a best of 114.9 mph with that setup, with only the pass. seat removed for weight reduction. My car tipped the scales at 3565 that same day. Lots of work? I hope you don't consider that "lots of work". Do I sense jealously in your post?
[quote]also, i want to see a dyno that compares the T1 to hotcam and i want to see this 20 RWHP difference in midrange! come on. lots of talkers, where is the results. i want to learn.<hr></blockquote>
Do a search. There are T1 cammed cars making 430+ rwhp with a good set of heads. Are there any Hotcammed cars making this much power w/ heads?
Chill bro, I am not stepping on your toes. Simply calling them how I have seen them for the past 6 yrs of modding f-bodies.
Re: switching from Hotcam to T1 OK... Here is my Hotcam Dyno.
Show me a T1 dyno that is more than 5 hp higher than that with stock heads. There is only one in existance, and I have not seen it in person.
The Hotcam was designed to match well with stock heads for very little money. If you a) put in ported heads or b) want to spend loads of $$$, then sure, go with the T1 or B1. But for stock heads, I claim the Hotcam is not behind any other cam that is less than 225 single pattern by more than 4 hp. I would like to be proven wrong with another dyno plot.
I do not have any reasonable track times for the car. I dont do that generally... Its a AutoX/RR car. But apples to apples is a dyno, IMHO.
chris
[ February 07, 2002: Message edited by: Visceral ]</p>
Show me a T1 dyno that is more than 5 hp higher than that with stock heads. There is only one in existance, and I have not seen it in person.
The Hotcam was designed to match well with stock heads for very little money. If you a) put in ported heads or b) want to spend loads of $$$, then sure, go with the T1 or B1. But for stock heads, I claim the Hotcam is not behind any other cam that is less than 225 single pattern by more than 4 hp. I would like to be proven wrong with another dyno plot.
I do not have any reasonable track times for the car. I dont do that generally... Its a AutoX/RR car. But apples to apples is a dyno, IMHO.
chris
[ February 07, 2002: Message edited by: Visceral ]</p>
Re: switching from Hotcam to T1 Visceral, there is always an exception and you are it. Those are damn good #'s, but you're the only one that can claim them that I know of. Most hotcam dyno's are around 350-365 with stock heads. Didn't you run an aluminum flywheel also? I could have sworn you did some "tricks" to get those #'s. No flames, just curious.
FYI, there are several T1/B1 cams in the 390 rwhp range with stock heads. Nick out of texas made 400+ rwhp with a B1, Vince made 390 rwhp w/ a T1, a local buddy of mine made 389 rwhp with a T1, all of those are with stock heads. There are several more, I said SEVERAL. Not just one poster child <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0"> . Law of average, the T1 performs better. Period.
Josh
FYI, there are several T1/B1 cams in the 390 rwhp range with stock heads. Nick out of texas made 400+ rwhp with a B1, Vince made 390 rwhp w/ a T1, a local buddy of mine made 389 rwhp with a T1, all of those are with stock heads. There are several more, I said SEVERAL. Not just one poster child <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0"> . Law of average, the T1 performs better. Period.
Josh
Re: switching from Hotcam to T1 [quote]Originally posted by Damian:
<strong>Visceral, there is always an exception and you are it. Those are damn good #'s, but you're the only one that can claim them that I know of. Most hotcam dyno's are around 350-365 with stock heads. Didn't you run an aluminum flywheel also? I could have sworn you did some "tricks" to get those #'s. No flames, just curious.
FYI, there are several T1/B1 cams in the 390 rwhp range with stock heads. Nick out of texas made 400+ rwhp with a B1, Vince made 390 rwhp w/ a T1, a local buddy of mine made 389 rwhp with a T1, all of those are with stock heads. There are several more, I said SEVERAL. Not just one poster child <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0"> . Law of average, the T1 performs better. Period.
Josh</strong><hr></blockquote>
The Medium weight SLP flywheel was installed after that dyno. I went back at a later date and the numbers were identical. For some reason, it didnt make any difference. Nick is the only higher stock head car, and thats cool. I think that we both use alot of similar peices that go together really well...LS6 intake, Grott headers, tuning, etc.
I TRULY believe that my car is not special. I think that anyone could take my mods and make the same HP. But hey... Ive been wrong before. The car seems like such a dog now with fancy heads, somethign tells me it was the combo, not some unquanitifiable characteristic of my SS...
\chris
<strong>Visceral, there is always an exception and you are it. Those are damn good #'s, but you're the only one that can claim them that I know of. Most hotcam dyno's are around 350-365 with stock heads. Didn't you run an aluminum flywheel also? I could have sworn you did some "tricks" to get those #'s. No flames, just curious.
FYI, there are several T1/B1 cams in the 390 rwhp range with stock heads. Nick out of texas made 400+ rwhp with a B1, Vince made 390 rwhp w/ a T1, a local buddy of mine made 389 rwhp with a T1, all of those are with stock heads. There are several more, I said SEVERAL. Not just one poster child <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0"> . Law of average, the T1 performs better. Period.
Josh</strong><hr></blockquote>
The Medium weight SLP flywheel was installed after that dyno. I went back at a later date and the numbers were identical. For some reason, it didnt make any difference. Nick is the only higher stock head car, and thats cool. I think that we both use alot of similar peices that go together really well...LS6 intake, Grott headers, tuning, etc.
I TRULY believe that my car is not special. I think that anyone could take my mods and make the same HP. But hey... Ive been wrong before. The car seems like such a dog now with fancy heads, somethign tells me it was the combo, not some unquanitifiable characteristic of my SS...
\chris
Re: switching from Hotcam to T1 [quote]Originally posted by JC:
<strong>
Yeah but, you added a pulley and the LS6 intake. I make 371/378 on stock LS1 intake. I wonder if the T1 will give me 10 more?</strong><hr></blockquote>
You will notice that on my way to 396hp, I made less than you do now when I had what you do. Get the remainder of the pieces that I had, and you could beat my 396rwhp/382rwtq #. The LS6 intake gave me alot, and the pulley was nice too. I think the TB was worthless... more trouble and $$$ than it was worth. Then get a MAFT or LS1 Edit and you have me beat with the cam you have in there.
The first step, the LS6 intake, is 400$ from Pace with the pipes and is much easier to install than another cam. And you should see 10+ hp from it.
\chris
<strong>
Yeah but, you added a pulley and the LS6 intake. I make 371/378 on stock LS1 intake. I wonder if the T1 will give me 10 more?</strong><hr></blockquote>
You will notice that on my way to 396hp, I made less than you do now when I had what you do. Get the remainder of the pieces that I had, and you could beat my 396rwhp/382rwtq #. The LS6 intake gave me alot, and the pulley was nice too. I think the TB was worthless... more trouble and $$$ than it was worth. Then get a MAFT or LS1 Edit and you have me beat with the cam you have in there.
The first step, the LS6 intake, is 400$ from Pace with the pipes and is much easier to install than another cam. And you should see 10+ hp from it.
\chris
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Re: switching from Hotcam to T1 [quote]Originally posted by Visceral:
<strong>
You will notice that on my way to 396hp, I made less than you do now when I had what you do. Get the remainder of the pieces that I had, and you could beat my 396rwhp/382rwtq #. The LS6 intake gave me alot, and the pulley was nice too. I think the TB was worthless... more trouble and $$$ than it was worth. Then get a MAFT or LS1 Edit and you have me beat with the cam you have in there.
The first step, the LS6 intake, is 400$ from Pace with the pipes and is much easier to install than another cam. And you should see 10+ hp from it.
\chris</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, I'm getting real close to ordering it. <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0"> The pulley would be nice but, they seem to be on back order.
<strong>
You will notice that on my way to 396hp, I made less than you do now when I had what you do. Get the remainder of the pieces that I had, and you could beat my 396rwhp/382rwtq #. The LS6 intake gave me alot, and the pulley was nice too. I think the TB was worthless... more trouble and $$$ than it was worth. Then get a MAFT or LS1 Edit and you have me beat with the cam you have in there.
The first step, the LS6 intake, is 400$ from Pace with the pipes and is much easier to install than another cam. And you should see 10+ hp from it.
\chris</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, I'm getting real close to ordering it. <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0"> The pulley would be nice but, they seem to be on back order.
Re: switching from Hotcam to T1 No emissions in Florida <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0"> I am thinking about upgrading to something bigger one day.. I have not decided on what would be better all around than the T1. I have not seen any cams so far that have given anyone more than a 10 to 15rwhp increase peak or under the curve. Not including the Solid Roller setups. Still looking for the magic cam..
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Re: switching from Hotcam to T1 I didn't mean for this to turn into a Hotcam vs. the world thread! LOL.
Honestly the Hotcam is a decent performer. Just because I thought about switching it out doesn't mean I'm not happy with it. Alot of people change cams all the time, from what I've seen.
This cam was enough to give me a 7.8@92 w/1.91 60'
That would've been a 12.0@116-117 if the track was a 1/4
My last dyno netted a 371/377. I plan on adding a LS6 intake later.
Honestly the Hotcam is a decent performer. Just because I thought about switching it out doesn't mean I'm not happy with it. Alot of people change cams all the time, from what I've seen.
This cam was enough to give me a 7.8@92 w/1.91 60'
That would've been a 12.0@116-117 if the track was a 1/4
My last dyno netted a 371/377. I plan on adding a LS6 intake later.
Re: switching from Hotcam to T1 In the end JC the choice is yours. You are going to end up getting the LS6 intake anyway.. Unless someone sends you a check for a new cam and for the install. Do it your way.. There are a lot of combos out there. I do not see how anyone could go wrong with this LS1. It seems to like whatever is thrown at it..
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Re: switching from Hotcam to T1 [quote]Originally posted by vmoore:
<strong>In the end JC the choice is yours. You are going to end up getting the LS6 intake anyway.. Unless someone sends you a check for a new cam and for the install. Do it your way.. There are a lot of combos out there. I do not see how anyone could go wrong with this LS1. It seems to like whatever is thrown at it..</strong><hr></blockquote>
Definately. I just kicked around the idea. If I do change cams, it would be for something much better like the C1 or TR224
But with the new emissions testing on the horizon, I might just get a B1! LOL
<strong>In the end JC the choice is yours. You are going to end up getting the LS6 intake anyway.. Unless someone sends you a check for a new cam and for the install. Do it your way.. There are a lot of combos out there. I do not see how anyone could go wrong with this LS1. It seems to like whatever is thrown at it..</strong><hr></blockquote>
Definately. I just kicked around the idea. If I do change cams, it would be for something much better like the C1 or TR224
But with the new emissions testing on the horizon, I might just get a B1! LOL